Why should we have "fear of God"?

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07 Feb 2018 14:19 #314678 by Rickie
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I think fearing god (if you believe in him, her, them) is like fearing your mother. If you do then there is something wrong with you or your god(s).

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08 Feb 2018 15:29 #314913 by Oden Jyn
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God does give you free will. God doesnt send you to hell for being bad. You go to hell for being evil. The bible says we are all sinners, if all sinners went to hell no one would make it to heaven. The idea that hell is for people who do bad things is a lie. The difference in someone who goes to hell and someone who doesnt is the person who goes to hell doesnt ask for forgiveness or believe Jesus died for our sins. Also God doesnt send you to hell, you send yourself, everyone makes it seem like God is evil and wants everyone to burn but in reality God gave us his only son as a sacrifice to save us from hell and gave us a whole book on how to escape Hell and we still go against it. Thats our fault. If your parents (God) tell you to not put your finger in an electrical socket and you do it anyway, is it your fault or your parents fault that you didnt listen and got electrocuted? Its easy to blame someone for OUR mistakes and eveyone wants to blame God for ending up in Hell. Another misconception on the bible that people have is the old testament, the law in the old testament is broken because Jesus came down and changed it all. The only thing that matters are the 10 commandments and the 11th commandment that Jesus brought which is to Love eachother. So everyone goes around saying " if you do this you go to hell, if you do that you go to hell" none of that is true. A thief asked for forgiveness as he was dying right next to Jesus Christ on the cross and Jesus said he had a place in heaven just for that. Jesus made it SOOOO simple to get to heaven, all you have to do is invite him into your heart, and ask for forgiveness if you mess up. A murderer whos been nothing but awful his whole life can ask for forgiveness on his death bed and God will forgive him. PEOPLE are the ones who say you will go to hell 24/7 for every little thing, GOD however says you are worthy of heaven and his love all you have to do is ask for forgiveness. There are A LOT of things people take the wrong way about the bible. If you are confused or just dont know,  pray for understanding and God will reveal it to you. God isnt evil, he just wants you to put your pride away and ask him. And he wont give you answers until you do turn to him. God is a father and we are children, he has to teach us and we have to learn, if we dont learn from what God teaches us thats our fault.

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22 Feb 2018 13:50 #316339 by Streen
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Thank you, Oden, for explaining what the Bible actually says.

But is it just me, or does it not make sense that if a person doesn't accept Christ that they be sentenced to eternal torment? What about all those people in third-world countries who never even hear about the gospel and die without having had a choice? I know, some will say, that is why missionary work is so important. That still does not answer the question. Where do those people go? They neither accepted nor rejected Christ, or perhaps had no religion whatsoever. Does God punish those people for eternity for not accepting Christ? There's a serious plot hole there.

Now, I know all that is beside the point of this thread, so I'll put it back on track. I do have a sense of fear of God, but not in the way that people generally see it. One day I had a conversation with Relan Volkum and he was talking about man-made religions/spiritual concepts and such. I had a revelation at that point as I realized that I had been thinking of God as something that I could fit inside my head. When I thought beyond that, to the idea that God is something so profound and grand that words cannot express his existence, and our thoughts cannot grasp his reality, that is when I felt fear. Not out of risk of disobedience, but of awe. For the first time I understood that God was something that made me little more than a tiny being in something so ginormous that my life could be snuffed out in less than an instant. Who was I in the face of something like that?

As usual, I come to the same conclusion: the truth is always greater than the words we use to describe it.

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22 Feb 2018 15:01 #316343 by Br. John

Does God punish those people for eternity for not accepting Christ?


Not according to Jesus.

Matthew 25

31 'When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory.

32 All nations will be assembled before him and he will separate people one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats.

33 He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left.

34 Then the King will say to those on his right hand, "Come, you whom my Father has blessed, take as your heritage the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you made me welcome,

36 lacking clothes and you clothed me, sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me."

37 Then the upright will say to him in reply, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and make you welcome, lacking clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we find you sick or in prison and go to see you?"

40 And the King will answer, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me."

41 Then he will say to those on his left hand, "Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you never gave me food, I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, lacking clothes and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me."

44 Then it will be their turn to ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty, a stranger or lacking clothes, sick or in prison, and did not come to your help?"

45 Then he will answer, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me."

46 And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the upright to eternal life.'

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22 Feb 2018 18:45 #316369 by Prthu
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22 Feb 2018 19:07 #316372 by JosephGray
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I no longer fear God, because I do not believe the God of the Holy Bible to be anything more than a myth. I now live my life in a state of joy and happiness. I look forward to every moment and have done more good for my family, myself, and my fellow man now that I am free from this fear. If God does exist, I would say at judgement, he would look at my life as a believer and see how bad a human being I was, and he will see that the moment I stopped fearing him and stopped believing in him that my contribution towards life and others became better. Maybe this is the true test. Just like a child fears a spanking from mommy and daddy, but eventually reaches the age of reason and maturity, and chooses to do good, not because of fear of punishment, but because to do good is the correct response.

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22 Feb 2018 21:36 #316381 by Prthu
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22 Feb 2018 22:04 #316382 by Prthu
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23 Feb 2018 06:05 #316398 by Rex
Just going to toss in my 2¢ here
This is in the Abrahamic section, so I'll try to keep everything in that context. The first mention of "the fear of God" is in the Torah, and it's used exactly like most people use it: not really in a fear-ish sense. Beyond that tangential point, God's presence is so great that the one person able to see Him was only allowed to see His back as He passed. If looking at someone, or touching the Ark are instant causes of death, there's a certain physical fear to it.
For Christians that changes a little bit, because Jesus (God's person incarnate) came to Earth and was fully man (yeah some people might disagree, but I'm going off of consensus, scripture, and the variety of creeds out there). He died, and raised others and was raised from the dead. Peter wasn't killed Raiders of the Lost Ark style the first time he saw Jesus.
However, whichever chap wrote Hebrews added what I think is an understated idea: "Faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see." When getting on an airplane, you're having Thomas-esque faith, based on years of planes flying, science explaining that they work, and being able to physically see the plane. Imagine if flying meant you went to the airport as usual, and then just stepped off the jetway into what looked like nothingness: a little scarier. God however, isn't like an Airplane in that you just get a ticket and go thru some metal scanners to get to heaven. In Daniel, his three companions are about to be killed for not worshiping the king, and they offer this remark "If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it...But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods..." Even if
God isn't an extortionist (some preachers are for sure), but if someone is beyond your understanding or control, it should be just a little scary. Christianity isn't about appeasing God to try and get out of trouble, it's appreciating the holiness of what should be: like a platonic form of goodness that we can't grasp or embody, but we shoot for anyways.
Again, I'm not a saint or theologian.

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