[Announcement] Simple Oath

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14 Mar 2016 01:20 #233469 by Adder
On behalf of the Council of the Temple of the Jedi Order this is to announce the removal of the requirement for the Simple Oath.

The Simple Oath or a personal version of it will be available now as an option for members. While no longer mandatory the Simple Oath or a personal pledge may be requested from an Initiate before commencing Apprenticeship at the discretion of the individual Teaching Master.

This change will not in any way invalidate the Oaths already taken by members. Taking immediate effect this announcement supersedes the last Simple Oath changes announced in December 2014 here .

Please note there may be a period of conflicting information in existing documentation while the changes are promulgated throughout the site. Thanks for your understanding with this. Also thank you to the membership for continued input into shaping the Temple and its future, and may the Force be with you!

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14 Mar 2016 01:27 #233471 by Jamie Stick

Adder wrote: Please note there may be a period of conflicting information in existing documentation while the changes are promulgated throughout the site. Thanks for your understanding with this.


We're learning. :lol: I'm so happy I could give you all hug.
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14 Mar 2016 02:50 #233472 by Zephyrus
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That's... incredible. :)

Thank you (and the Council) for all the hard work you do!

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14 Mar 2016 03:42 #233479 by Adi
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This is fantastic. Thank you.

Adi
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15 Mar 2016 18:45 #233821 by Akkarin
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If you spot somewhere where you think the information is incorrect please let me know so it can be altered.

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15 Mar 2016 19:02 - 15 Mar 2016 19:08 #233825 by Avalon
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Could we potentially get a little bit of clarification here?

I was personally under the impression that this:

Adder wrote: The Simple Oath or a personal version of it will be available now as an option for members. While no longer mandatory the Simple Oath or a personal pledge may be requested from an Initiate before commencing Apprenticeship at the discretion of the individual Teaching Master.


Invalidated this:

Members may wish to take a personal Jedi Oath (formulated in personal words), but a personal oath is not considered a valid and legal oath in the eyes of TotJO. Any pledge no matter in what form is a valid oath, no doubt, but it is not specific, in an official form, to the members who are Jedi here.


As it strictly applies to the Simple Oath.

As I read both parts, we have an announcement saying, for example, that an individual can post the Simple Oath using their username in lieu of their legal name and minus their birthdate; however the oath page continues to state that personalizing oaths in such a manner invalidates them in an official manner.

Obviously that manner no longer really matters, since the Simple Oath is no longer necessary... so I suppose asking for clarification is a bit of a pointless task (now that I think about it)....

I'm just wondering how the standing wording on the Oath page applies towards personalization of oaths, specifically the Simple Oath, given the wording of the announcement which says (in my reading) personalization is allowed, while the standing wording says no...

/rambling mess....


Also, as a quick tack on, Akkarin here ya go ;)

The Simple Oath

The "Simple Oath" is taken once members are familiar with the Jedi path and taking it is required if a member wishes to reach the rank of Initiate and make themselves available for Apprenticeship.


and

Simple Oath

One must have taken a valid Oath to be able to reach the rank of Initiate. Please include your real name and date of birth in the following formula:

Here

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15 Mar 2016 19:38 #233828 by Akkarin
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Thank you.

Members may wish to take a personal Jedi Oath (formulated in personal words), but a personal oath is not considered binding in the eyes of TotJO.


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15 Mar 2016 19:47 #233830 by Goken
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So my understanding of this now is that people may take the Simple Oath as worded or a personalized variant of it, but neither one is required for any reason. This would mean that neither the Simple Oath as worded or the personalized variant are binding in the eyes of the Temple as neither one are a requirement for anything.

Is that correct?

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15 Mar 2016 19:50 #233831 by Akkarin
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Goken wrote: So my understanding of this now is that people may take the Simple Oath as worded or a personalized variant of it, but neither one is required for any reason. This would mean that neither the Simple Oath as worded or the personalized variant are binding in the eyes of the Temple as neither one are a requirement for anything.

Is that correct?


Yes.

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15 Mar 2016 20:04 #233833 by Avalon
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Thank you for the clarification

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