What's going on?

Senan wrote: The answer is that it is not our answer to give you. Ask Wes or Brenna or whomever else you want the answers from rather than making a public discussion out of personal decisions.

It is not my business the exact reasons why Wes or Brenna stepped down. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly), that there was something going on behind closed doors that might have served as a catalyst for their decision, which, by the way, is implied in their posts by people other than THEM that they don't like the direction leadership is taking. This does not describe an exception, it describes a trend.

tzb wrote: The implied question seems to be "Is this all happening for one reason?" and the answer to that is a resounding no.

Fair enough.

tzb wrote: The implied question seems to be "Is this all happening for one reason?" and the answer to that is a resounding no.

I think the fairer question is "What are the current objectives, values and direction of TOTJO?", given the nature of the wording of some recent posts. That's a question that requires no delving into personal reasons, and gets us farther in the long run.

I can't give you answers because I don't have them, but I can offer a listening ear if you are concerned, afraid, unsure of your own next steps. Here if you need.

Ros

Rosalyn J wrote: I can't give you answers because I don't have them, but I can offer a listening ear if you are concerned, afraid, unsure of your own next steps. Here if you need.

Ros

Thank you Ros

Not sure that there is a single reason. They seem to be individual decisions, for their own reasons, though of course all things are connected in various ways so often elements will be shared - but that level of detail if it exists would really only be know by the person making the decision and therefore up to them to realize and reveal if they wanted to. Otherwise all we've got is the words they choose.

If I was to ruminate and wax on about the broader topic, why does anyone do anything.... energy expenditure versus time availability must play a factor, and what exertion in a group relates to in that might be a balance of trust and intention. If someone doesn't have trust in their team then it becomes too large an effort to understand intention, or if someone doesn't share the same intentions then it would be a constant effort through struggle and conflict. Change management is a discipline all of its own within management because it is so demanding on resources compared to routine operations which can focus on refining best practise instead. Change incurs all sorts of testing and evaluation, realignment of human capital etc etc but change is way of life. Its just demanding on resources if those resources aren't designed for it. Not to suggest that is related to peoples decision here. But we do gotta try and support each other through change, and find the positive and constructive opportunities it may bring. Its too easy to give into fear and see the negatives. Oh good, the coffee is wearing off

Manu wrote: It appears I am requesting privileged information. If that is the case, then it's ok.

Transparency is not a bad thing in a church that risks appearing as a cult to new members. It is at least a recommendation to keep in mind. Trust people (regardless of rank) with issues and they will positively surprise you.

It's called empowerment.

It's not privileged except in the sense of plain good manners. Any officer is free to make any statement or answer any questions about their personal decisions. It's their choice. Not mine and not The Council's to speak for them. I can say their conduct and work was exemplary. It was their personal decision to resign.

If anyone is interested in a cult I recommend The Blue Oyster Cult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy4HA3vUv2c

I'm not at all pleased with these reasonable answers.

I demand a dramatic schism! apostasy! brutal warfare between competing branches of an otherwise identical faith!

I have nothing useful to contribute - I really have no idea what the grand political/tribal goings-on of TotJO are - and that suits me fine. I come here for the cool Jedi, the IP, and annoying the Knights.

I'm not even really sure what TotJO's "Mission Statement" is, so I couldn't even begin to guess what the issues are that divide the "Upper Class" of our pseudo-society.


I don't want to be one of those wishy-washy people, but let's not get dramatic about things just because it's a quiet week and we have not had an extremist member to "gang up" on and make us all feel together-y against a common "enemy"

JamesSand wrote: I don't want to be one of those wishy-washy people, but let's not get dramatic about things just because it's a quiet week and we have not had an extremist member to "gang up" on and make us all feel together-y against a common "enemy"

Ah man! Now why do you have to use sarcasm and humor to take the edge off and offer some perspective?

Thank you

Rosalyn J wrote: I can't give you answers because I don't have them, but I can offer a listening ear if you are concerned, afraid, unsure of your own next steps. Here if you need.

Ros

Please pay attention if you are in a position of authority within this Temple, THIS is how you answer questions regarding the concerns of our members and guests...

Regardless if you have the answers or not, please show some empathy or compassion in replying...

The dismissing of people's concerns really needs to stop altogether....