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Why did Kreia turn to the dark side(Opinion's!!!)?
05 Aug 2014 19:39 #154722
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Hello Star Wars fans and Jedi's alike, This has just really queried my mind and would like to know your opinions on why she turned to the dark side after being on the light side for the majority of KotOr2.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Traya <--- A bit of information about her.
As you can see from the URL displayed above that her name is "Darth Traya". If that helps for identification's sakes
-James
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Traya <--- A bit of information about her.
As you can see from the URL displayed above that her name is "Darth Traya". If that helps for identification's sakes
-James
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05 Aug 2014 20:02 #154725
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I don't think she was on any side but her own, I played this only on Xbox but she tended to use whatever opportunity came up to further her own plans and influence others..
I think she was neither dark or light.. So did she turn or just stay true to who she was?
Kinda in between more shadow ?
I think she was neither dark or light.. So did she turn or just stay true to who she was?
Kinda in between more shadow ?
Everything is belief
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05 Aug 2014 21:46 #154740
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He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
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She remained grey until the end, her seemingly dark turn was because she felt that the galaxy would be safer if there were NO force users at all. She came to that conclusion only after observing the outcast managing to survive without the force...remember she was against the outcast training any of the companions as jedi. Near the end she had passed the mantle of darth traya on to atris...
I love this game and have beaten it light, dark, and grey, I've unlocked all the characters' jedi paths( those that had them), also learned that kreia was also known as arran kea...the handmaiden's (brianna's) mother...I've explored every combination of classes as well...
I love this game and have beaten it light, dark, and grey, I've unlocked all the characters' jedi paths( those that had them), also learned that kreia was also known as arran kea...the handmaiden's (brianna's) mother...I've explored every combination of classes as well...
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There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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06 Aug 2014 02:45 #154769
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Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think Traya was ever anything but dark. Regardless of her intentions, she was always evil.
In the first place, Traya's behavior always came from a place of control. She always knew better. The people that control us on such an essential level (that is attachment, right there) come from a place of deep fear and resentment. If one's first impulse in an intervention is control, even subtle control, then one is coming from a dark place. We can ignore it, but we can't escape it.
In the second place, Traya thought nothing of taking on the moral authority to punish, abuse, and murder with impunity. By any objective standard, that is bad news.
There is a discussion within the community that amounts to a question of means and ends. Can I do a bad thing for a good reason and still feel okay? I believe this is a false question, fundamentally dishonest.
My sense is that the means cannot be separated, morally or practically, from the ends. The way we do a job cannot be separated from the product. History is replete with examples. When we build a good society on terrible acts, we create a rot in the center of our communities.
Kreia wanted what Vader wanted, what Cadeus wanted, what any dictator wants. She wanted enough control to make to save the world from the rest of us. People require leadership. People require guidance at different times. But virtue cannot be imposed on people. The horror of that violence will always bear out in the end.
In the first place, Traya's behavior always came from a place of control. She always knew better. The people that control us on such an essential level (that is attachment, right there) come from a place of deep fear and resentment. If one's first impulse in an intervention is control, even subtle control, then one is coming from a dark place. We can ignore it, but we can't escape it.
In the second place, Traya thought nothing of taking on the moral authority to punish, abuse, and murder with impunity. By any objective standard, that is bad news.
There is a discussion within the community that amounts to a question of means and ends. Can I do a bad thing for a good reason and still feel okay? I believe this is a false question, fundamentally dishonest.
My sense is that the means cannot be separated, morally or practically, from the ends. The way we do a job cannot be separated from the product. History is replete with examples. When we build a good society on terrible acts, we create a rot in the center of our communities.
Kreia wanted what Vader wanted, what Cadeus wanted, what any dictator wants. She wanted enough control to make to save the world from the rest of us. People require leadership. People require guidance at different times. But virtue cannot be imposed on people. The horror of that violence will always bear out in the end.
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06 Aug 2014 02:59 #154770
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As I recall, Kreia wanted to destroy the Force.
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06 Aug 2014 03:06 #154771
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Oh yeah! I forgot that part among all the other work-a-day carnage and general jerkiness.
A pretty dramatic choice to make for everyone else. She's not someone you want around.
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Khaos wrote: As I recall, Kreia wanted to destroy the Force.
Oh yeah! I forgot that part among all the other work-a-day carnage and general jerkiness.
A pretty dramatic choice to make for everyone else. She's not someone you want around.
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06 Aug 2014 03:08 #154772
by RyuJin
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
Replied by RyuJin on topic Why did Kreia turn to the dark side(Opinion's!!!)?
Ah but by the game's mechanics she remained grey...was I the only one that paid attention to the little alignment bar on the character info page while playing? :lol:
Everytime the exile performed a light act she chided him for creating weakness in others, everytime the exile performed a dark act she chastised him for taking advantage of other's weakness...
Even at the end before dying she thanked and rewarded the exile...
I really hope they make a kotor 3...
Generally the ends don't always justify the means, sometimes though someone has to act and bear the consequences...a thief stealing for gain is morally wrong, a thief stealing for survival falls into that rather large grey area...
Everytime the exile performed a light act she chided him for creating weakness in others, everytime the exile performed a dark act she chastised him for taking advantage of other's weakness...
Even at the end before dying she thanked and rewarded the exile...
I really hope they make a kotor 3...
Generally the ends don't always justify the means, sometimes though someone has to act and bear the consequences...a thief stealing for gain is morally wrong, a thief stealing for survival falls into that rather large grey area...
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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06 Aug 2014 03:08 #154773
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As for why she turned to the dark side in the first place, I think she more or less addressed that. Perhaps what they say is true: Hurt people hurt people.
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06 Aug 2014 03:15 #154775
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Yes, by the games mechanics she remained grey.
Palpatine also managed to project a force signature that did not oust him as a Sith Lord.
Not even force sensitive.
So that means little.
Manipulation would be part and parcel of her being a Sith.
Palpatine also managed to project a force signature that did not oust him as a Sith Lord.
Not even force sensitive.
So that means little.
Manipulation would be part and parcel of her being a Sith.
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06 Aug 2014 03:15 #154776
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I always took her alignment bar in the middle to mean that she was concealing her essence from the Exile and, perhaps, from herself. Jolee Bindo was supposed to be grey, and he was a very different cat.
I am not one to condemn a person who steals because they are starving. That is not my goal. But I take it as axiomatic that a morally problematic means creates a morally suspect result. This is something I apply to my own thinking. It is not my place to judge each and every moral choice I encounter. And I understand that you weren't suggesting that. I just wanted to be clear.
Kotor 3 would be awesome. Still, I am enjoying swtor, even if I only get to play once a week, if that. I had no idea that Kreia was Brianna's mother. Nifty.
I am not one to condemn a person who steals because they are starving. That is not my goal. But I take it as axiomatic that a morally problematic means creates a morally suspect result. This is something I apply to my own thinking. It is not my place to judge each and every moral choice I encounter. And I understand that you weren't suggesting that. I just wanted to be clear.
Kotor 3 would be awesome. Still, I am enjoying swtor, even if I only get to play once a week, if that. I had no idea that Kreia was Brianna's mother. Nifty.
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