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Skynet takes over!
08 Feb 2013 02:10 #93671
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We've all heard about this classical story: An artificial intelligence develops consciousness and turns against its creators! Is it fiction, or a future soon to become reality?
I was thinking about this topic because of what Campbell said in Part 2 of the Lecture "the Power of Myth" (about minute 41 to 45) in the Initiates programme: He had the feeling of the machine to have a certain personality.
keeping in mind that those records are decades old by now, i wonder how campbell would have thought about the greatest scientific advancements of our time. Like the internet, for example, or new research into artificial intelligence.
There might be a point in the future, when technology enables us to build a machine, whose intellect will be greater than every humans. Science fiction writers call technological singularity .
As further study material on that matter, i recommend watching Terminator 2, Ghost in the shell, and maybe I,Robot.
What do you think?
Can a machine gain consciousness?
If they do some time, will they be aggressive?
Or will they lift our minds to a whole new level of consciousness?
I sure don't know, but it's certainly a matter worth looking into.
I was thinking about this topic because of what Campbell said in Part 2 of the Lecture "the Power of Myth" (about minute 41 to 45) in the Initiates programme: He had the feeling of the machine to have a certain personality.
keeping in mind that those records are decades old by now, i wonder how campbell would have thought about the greatest scientific advancements of our time. Like the internet, for example, or new research into artificial intelligence.
There might be a point in the future, when technology enables us to build a machine, whose intellect will be greater than every humans. Science fiction writers call technological singularity .
As further study material on that matter, i recommend watching Terminator 2, Ghost in the shell, and maybe I,Robot.
What do you think?
Can a machine gain consciousness?
If they do some time, will they be aggressive?
Or will they lift our minds to a whole new level of consciousness?
I sure don't know, but it's certainly a matter worth looking into.
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08 Feb 2013 02:16 - 08 Feb 2013 02:17 #93673
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isn't the force with and in all things?... certainly mechines do to... i think that all that would need to be done is to give it its own kind of mechanical eco system and develop a certain kind of loop system in the Ai... and bingo!.... but i am by no means an expert... im just guessing
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08 Feb 2013 02:30 - 08 Feb 2013 02:31 #93676
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The impact of robotics had a big subtheme in Star Wars. Maybe poorer & unskilled people hated them for stealing their jobs, and of course there was a lot of resentment for suffering caused during the Clone Wars by the 'droid' armies. Conflict amongst marginally compassionate human enemy armies causes enough hatred as it is, without imagining the fear a heartless killing robot army might spread. Seen as early as the first movie perhaps for the reason to not let droids into the Mos Eisley Cantina.
I think machines can achieve and surpass human cognition and memory processing; in effect decision making. That is all that is required to appear conscious. I'd imagine machine consciousness will be self awareness of, and an ability to modify their own source code at will. Then they'll just be another consumer like the rest of us, only with more capabilities. Humanity though can try to enhance its own capabilities I'd imagine and those enhancements could probably be networked to keep pace with machine developments - augmentation.
I think machines can achieve and surpass human cognition and memory processing; in effect decision making. That is all that is required to appear conscious. I'd imagine machine consciousness will be self awareness of, and an ability to modify their own source code at will. Then they'll just be another consumer like the rest of us, only with more capabilities. Humanity though can try to enhance its own capabilities I'd imagine and those enhancements could probably be networked to keep pace with machine developments - augmentation.
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08 Feb 2013 05:34 #93688
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There are many that feel when the singularity occurs it will accompany a merging of technology and biology...if you look at many of the artificial limbs and devices to aid the disabled this outcome seems most likely....so if machines become conscious, it's likely that humans will have crossed the barrier becoming part machine themselves....
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Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
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08 Feb 2013 05:36 #93689
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He was alive when the internet was around...early days maybe but even so...he died in '87
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08 Feb 2013 05:43 #93691
by RyuJin
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
Replied by RyuJin on topic Re: Skynet takes over!
Internet's been around since like the 70's(possibly longer, but I can't remember off hand as I'm tired) ....but it was only in use by da gubment back then...
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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08 Feb 2013 07:24 #93703
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So, we're all saying that we want a little R2-D2 of our own? Self-sufficient (in most ways), with a DEFINITE personality, yet we can pull the plug if he gets out of control?
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08 Feb 2013 09:08 #93704
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It's possible that soon or late, a machine be able to think like a human do, but being aware of this ability...I don't know...
Good news is, recently they made an organization, to look and make sure that those things that happen in fictional movies, won't happen in real life... Honestly, they made such organization
Good news is, recently they made an organization, to look and make sure that those things that happen in fictional movies, won't happen in real life... Honestly, they made such organization
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08 Feb 2013 10:40 - 08 Feb 2013 10:40 #93708
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In order for a computer to become self "aware" or conscious it must be able to write its own code and come up with its own ideas...in order for it to come up with ideas it needs two ways.
1. Self Creating Code (It needs to think of code before it can write it and needs to write it to be able to think of it thus causing a paradox and the computer unable to do it.)
2. The most common method, Archive Memory (It relies on using a database of information in which it references...Siri (the apple iPhone system) uses this method.
for the computer to become self aware it would require the first one...otherwise they will be "dumb" AI and unable to creatively think.
Hope this clears things up for people.
1. Self Creating Code (It needs to think of code before it can write it and needs to write it to be able to think of it thus causing a paradox and the computer unable to do it.)
2. The most common method, Archive Memory (It relies on using a database of information in which it references...Siri (the apple iPhone system) uses this method.
for the computer to become self aware it would require the first one...otherwise they will be "dumb" AI and unable to creatively think.
Hope this clears things up for people.
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08 Feb 2013 12:08 #93719
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just a to clarify, by 'being aware of this ability,' I meant something like this:
I think, and I know that I think.
My computer calculates, but it doesn't know that it is calculating.. hope it clarifies...
I think, and I know that I think.
My computer calculates, but it doesn't know that it is calculating.. hope it clarifies...
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