Could Human Networking eventually replace the need for government?

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13 Jan 2020 20:43 #348373 by Geni Jeuls

Fyxe wrote: People demonize corporations all the time but they are responsible for the free enterprise that drives innovation, technology, the cheap goods and services we enjoy and the means for gainful employment to provide for yourself and your family. Who will do all that if they are gone?

The federal government in the US provides for national defense, promotes the general welfare, and is the arbitrator both within and the nation and with outside entities. its structure is a representative republic that does all it can to ensure every member of the nation has a voice in how the country is run. Get rid of that and there will be mob rule and eventual anarchy.


So, like, ever seen how other countries do things? Better general welfare and less spending on the military. People in the States have a lower standard of living than MANY other first world countries. And if they don't change that, it will be mob rule and anarchy (though, you should really look into true anarchy. Its not as bad as it sounds).

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13 Jan 2020 20:47 #348374 by OB1Shinobi

ZealotX wrote: Let's say that you had to use an app to buy a firearm. And because the app was "open source" a number of people could contribute ways of how the app could integrate with your social media and try to detect if you had any radical ideas or an unstable personality that tries to predict whether or not you can be trusted with a deadly weapon. And let's say one person said the app should be locked by your biometric thumb print just like your banking apps.

And so the app knows who you are when you buy the gun. The app knows where you are based on location services, if you are near your house or out of state, etc. People don't necessarily need to be watching you. They would just set up the rules for the technology to follow, to help make those decisions without a person personally invading your privacy. And if you don't want a gun then don't sign up for the app. But as long as you're using it then maybe the police should be able to see when a loaded gun, tied to an app, pings off a cell tower in a residential or commercial district. And maybe if your phone isn't within the distance of a large house, it wont fire. Maybe this would allow police officers to see if a suspect has a gun or not so that they can determine better what to do and how to detain that suspect. And maybe guns are made from the ground up to utilize technology so that they cannot physically fire without it sending signals and operating based on rules.

Maybe these are good ideas. Maybe these are bad ideas. But they are ideas and if it is open source then there is an interested community that can debate these ideas and vote ideas into use without waiting on a politician to decide whether or not to be bribed today, and whether or not to vote to force a company driven by profits, to comply with new rules and regulations. Nothing is ever a silver bullet. Hackers will figure out ways to hack the app, spoof signals, etc. But the same hackers can also rob banks if they're that clever. But how many banks are robbed today like they were in the old west? And certainly, things are better now than they were back then. Right?


Im trying to imagine what my life would be like if twitter activists had the power to determine my legal rights and social obligations.

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13 Jan 2020 22:09 #348376 by Fyxe

Geni Jeuls wrote:
So, like, ever seen how other countries do things? Better general welfare and less spending on the military. People in the States have a lower standard of living than MANY other first world countries. And if they don't change that, it will be mob rule and anarchy (though, you should really look into true anarchy. Its not as bad as it sounds).



Actually the united states is a world leader in social spending for general welfare programs. And they come in 13th for standard of living. This is pretty amazing if you take into account the population of the US vs the countries that come before it. And as well those other countries are drowning in dept, taxation is out of control and productivity and innovation is non existant. Give me innovation over big brother any day. And there is no such thing as a perfect anarchist state just like there is no such thing as a perfect communist state or democratic state. I think your idea of true anarchy not being bad is actually a very bad conclusion.

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13 Jan 2020 22:24 #348377 by Carlos.Martinez3
Providing for others has a lot of political names and not so political. Something to think about.

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15 Jan 2020 17:32 #348431 by ZealotX

OB1Shinobi wrote: Im trying to imagine what my life would be like if twitter activists had the power to determine my legal rights and social obligations.


They wouldn't have that power unless a majority of the people in your jurisdiction agreed to those changes. And if you polled people, I think you would find that the vast majority are somewhere between safety and freedom. It's not a binary proposition.

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15 Jan 2020 18:56 #348435 by JamesSand
If I don't have the time or wherewithal (too busy sitting back in my upcycled chair and sipping on open source ethically made mead) to have input into every inane decision that the local network wants to force - can I nominate a proxy to carry my "vote" for me?

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15 Jan 2020 20:51 #348438 by Fyxe

ZealotX wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: Im trying to imagine what my life would be like if twitter activists had the power to determine my legal rights and social obligations.


They wouldn't have that power unless a majority of the people in your jurisdiction agreed to those changes. And if you polled people, I think you would find that the vast majority are somewhere between safety and freedom. It's not a binary proposition.


And what if a majorly white population voted that blacks could not own a business? (just an example)

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15 Jan 2020 21:05 #348440 by ZealotX

JamesSand wrote: If I don't have the time or wherewithal (too busy sitting back in my upcycled chair and sipping on open source ethically made mead) to have input into every inane decision that the local network wants to force - can I nominate a proxy to carry my "vote" for me?


nope. Everyone who votes would simply be a representation of interested parties. You can pick issues through the app you care about and want to vote on months ahead of the vote being taken. You can even have the app create a custom platform with all of your baseline support on various topics and issues. With you having your own platform that you can select or change at you leisure like changing a Facebook profile, it would be unnecessary to vote by proxy and pour resources into a proxy running to represent you. 1 person, 1 vote.

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15 Jan 2020 21:16 #348441 by JamesSand

nope. Everyone who votes would simply be a representation of interested parties. You can pick issues through the app you care about and want to vote on months ahead of the vote being taken. You can even have the app create a custom platform with all of your baseline support on various topics and issues. With you having your own platform that you can select or change at you leisure like changing a Facebook profile, it would be unnecessary to vote by proxy and pour resources into a proxy running to represent you. 1 person, 1 vote.


I'm already flat out. managing my insurances, registrations, safety inspections, qualifications and licences, and now I need to manage my brand and maintain a platform to exert my will (by right) onto every issue that affects me? (Not to mention whatever the job is that I do that benefits the greater population, and maintaining my personal relationships, hobbies, interests, and domestic environment, etc etc)

I’d really rather the option for someone else to manage that on my behalf…..

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15 Jan 2020 21:17 #348442 by ZealotX

Fyxe wrote:

ZealotX wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: Im trying to imagine what my life would be like if twitter activists had the power to determine my legal rights and social obligations.


They wouldn't have that power unless a majority of the people in your jurisdiction agreed to those changes. And if you polled people, I think you would find that the vast majority are somewhere between safety and freedom. It's not a binary proposition.


And what if a majorly white population voted that blacks could not own a business? (just an example)


Then black people could disallow ownership of white owned businesses in a jurisdiction where they are in the majority and those who wish to own a business (or simply not live in such a racist area), could move. A lot of black people would actually prefer knowing how racist their jurisdiction is, rather than being policed by it and constantly struggling with hidden racism).

Depending on how large jurisdictions are this actually wouldn't impact black people as much as you'd think. Many cities are already relatively segregated and the percentage of black business owners is already extremely low and they don't often expect to do well in areas heavily populated by Europeans. Most black owned businesses tend to be barbershops and beauty salons.

And actually, I wasn't trying to "go there" with race, but the scenario you are referring to has already happened. Read about "Black Wall Street" that was located in Tulsa, OK and how prosperous it was. That was partially due to racism and the fact that black people could not own businesses in the white community.

Interesting question to ask.

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