Could Human Networking eventually replace the need for government?

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08 Jan 2020 20:30 #348181 by ZealotX

Fyxe wrote: OMG!! your ideas go far beyond socialism deeply into totalitarianism where individual and group opposition is restricted to the extreme and every human is babysat by a ruling party that will exercise an extremely high degree of control over everyones public and private life. yes things are better now but what you are talking about is the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism!!


and my other comments above were not about predator and prey. they are actually more fundamental than that. ascension is a dual path state. There is the path of acceptance and the path of rejection. and the free will we have as a species allows each of us to choose which path we take in any walk of life. what you are talking about is the complete rejection of one path in favor of the other just because you think its the better path. that is not how the world works and its not how our species works. The tighter you grip your fist Grand Moff Tarkin, the more systems will slip through your fingers! a relevant warning indeed!


How so? Because I said you needed the app to buy a gun? Don't you need a license to buy a gun now? Aren't there background checks? You do realize we have a whole FBI that looks for domestic threats and often stops people before they do anything, right? You can just think of the app as a digital smart license. I don't believe everyone needs a gun. We are a society (in the US) that believes this because of how dangerous we are towards each other. But that danger is also a result of money that isn't circulating thanks to the wealthy owning almost everything.

And when the US got attacked on 9/11 air port security measures went absolutely nuts. They almost check everything, including your nuts, just to fly somewhere. So why not have an app, using rules created by the people, a digital smart app, that is and maintains your license to fly... or drive?

It's funny how free people think they are when you're not talking about an extra layer of security or scrutiny. The reason I keep saying open source is because it isn't owned by anyone. Because its not owned there isn't one party that gets to rule over that thing and control it. If the majority want something and someone can make it, they get it. Period. You can't have totalitarianism without someone calling all the shots. What I'm talking about is closer to the Star Trek economy.
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08 Jan 2020 20:37 #348182 by Fyxe
No you do not need a licence to buy a gun. All that is needed for a commercial sale is a background check and after that nothing is tracked. private sales dont even need a background check. and I dont need a licence to fly either. its called freedom! I need a license to drive as a civil statute to meet minimum requirements of the road for safety purposes and to help get funds to maintain the roadways for the state.

if your "smart system" is not "owned by anyone" then who writes all these rules and implements all these controls and enforces all these regulations you have built into the system. Thats right, the totalitarian state will do these things for us. Its the only way to get (read as FORCE) all people to comply to the rules that are created.

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08 Jan 2020 20:46 #348183 by Kobos

Fyxe wrote: No you do not need a licence to buy a gun
In some states you do in fact need a form of licsense. In IL I need what's call a FOID card to own my weapons.

. All that is needed for a commercial sale is a background check and after that nothing is tracked. private sales dont even need a background check. and I dont need a licence to fly either. its called freedom!Yes, you do need a background check for a private sale in most states to a non-family member (legally anyway). Um, pilots license........unless you mean you don't need a license to jump off a room which well yea you don't

I need a license to drive as a civil statute to meet minimum requirements of the road for safety purposes and to help get funds to maintain the roadways for the state.

if your "smart system" is not "owned by anyone" then who writes all these rules and implements all these controls and enforces all these regulations you have built into the system. Thats right, the totalitarian state will do these things for us. Its the only way to get (read as FORCE) all people to comply to the rules that are created.
I actually agree with all of this in principle though, just letting you know the correct information because what you are talking about can actually land you in huge trouble.


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08 Jan 2020 21:05 #348184 by JamesSand
I think a problem with this is it just starting again.

lets say we agree it won't work (straight away) on a global, national, or even state level - so we'll do it by small communities.

Maybe a few hundred to a few thousand people who live in a common area with common goals - they all agree that the roads need to be maintained, rubbish needs to be collected, transport for schools available - well it all gets too hard after about 15 minutes to have a giant calendar and schedule (on paper or in an app, it doesn't matter much at this point) where we all share the load equally, so we nominated small teams to deal with each issue, then keeping track of all the time and resources each team needs gets tricky, so we nominate someone to keep tabs on that, and then we need someone to make sure that everyone is being honest with the time and resources, so we have an independent overseer...

oh hey, I just invented local councils/governments.

Hmmm....




There is certainly "room" for a networking/share economy/gig job type thing, but I think it's a limited room, and it's up to the higher government to decide where that room fits in the bigger complex of buildings.

I'm sure as hell not organising my next surgery on fiverr.....
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08 Jan 2020 21:06 #348185 by ZealotX

Kobos wrote: Um, pilots license........unless you mean you don't need a license to jump off a room which well yea you don't


Well I was thinking about a passport but that's also true if you're an actual pilot. The point was that we already need permission from authority to do certain things.

Kobos wrote:
if your "smart system" is not "owned by anyone" then who writes all these rules and implements all these controls and enforces all these regulations you have built into the system. Thats right, the totalitarian state will do these things for us. Its the only way to get (read as FORCE) all people to comply to the rules that are created.


"open source" means that people can contribute. It's kind of like how, in Death Stranding, a bunch of different players can contribute resources to building the same road that they all get to use. So if you're asking who will enforce then I would answer with an "open source" police force where citizens create the rules and regulations for people who want to be police officers, to follow. This system doesn't assume that the jobs and positions would all go away, but rather who gets to control them becomes a more collective effort. People in a local area could follow a template to a degree but their needs might be different from another community. So maybe they want their police force to follow a few different regulations. Maybe the people who vote for a certain idea have to fund it (like kickstarter) and so if they want the police to wear body cameras then as soon as they have the votes and crowdfund the money then the police would have to wear body cameras. And the footage would be publicly available while they're on duty. I'm not suggesting there be some private ninja force that jumps out and slices you if you violate these rules.
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08 Jan 2020 21:17 #348186 by ZealotX

JamesSand wrote: I think a problem with this is it just starting again.

lets say we agree it won't work (straight away) on a global, national, or even state level - so we'll do it by small communities.

Maybe a few hundred to a few thousand people who live in a common area with common goals - they all agree that the roads need to be maintained, rubbish needs to be collected, transport for schools available - well it all gets too hard after about 15 minutes to have a giant calendar and schedule (on paper or in an app, it doesn't matter much at this point) where we all share the load equally, so we nominated small teams to deal with each issue, then keeping track of all the time and resources each team needs gets tricky, so we nominate someone to keep tabs on that, and then we need someone to make sure that everyone is being honest with the time and resources, so we have an independent overseer...

oh hey, I just invented local councils/governments.

Hmmm....




There is certainly "room" for a networking/share economy/gig job type thing, but I think it's a limited room, and it's up to the higher government to decide where that room fits in the bigger complex of buildings.

I'm sure as hell not organising my next surgery on fiverr.....



LOL, that's why I said open source applications... meaning that the organizational part also uses connected technology. You can easily have a database that has "rooms" for all these different "teams", "jobs", etc. And if you don't have a job you could do a search for which team has an opening. Hey... I just invented an online forum! Sorry, I had to make that joke. But in reality, our government is benefiting from converting a lot of its organization to database driven models. I remember when I was arrested because one arm of the local government didn't know I paid another arm. So what we are/were doing is using humans to take these organizational roles that are actually better suited to applications. That's why most states let you renew your driver's license and tags online... using.... an application. The application is free to use because everyone in that state who pays taxes, paid for that system.

No, you wouldn't organize your next surgery on fiverr, funny, but if there was a type of fiverr for medical professionals, a doctor could use that version of fiverr to located different specialists and they could all come together to take part in your surgery. Otherwise, you're counting on the hospital to use whoever they have available and that may not be the best idea either which is why malpractice insurance is a thing.

The same way automation is already taking jobs at factories, I see no reason to pretend that technology cannot be a substitute for jobs in the public sector as well. It already is. Offices are using more technology and cutting down on the number of people they need. While this sounds bad on one hand, it is more efficient and saves taxpayers more money that can be used for education and other social programs.
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08 Jan 2020 22:06 #348190 by Fyxe

Kobos wrote:

Fyxe wrote: No you do not need a licence to buy a gun
In some states you do in fact need a form of licsense. In IL I need what's call a FOID card to own my weapons.

. All that is needed for a commercial sale is a background check and after that nothing is tracked. private sales dont even need a background check. and I dont need a licence to fly either. its called freedom!Yes, you do need a background check for a private sale in most states to a non-family member (legally anyway). Um, pilots license........unless you mean you don't need a license to jump off a room which well yea you don't

I need a license to drive as a civil statute to meet minimum requirements of the road for safety purposes and to help get funds to maintain the roadways for the state.

if your "smart system" is not "owned by anyone" then who writes all these rules and implements all these controls and enforces all these regulations you have built into the system. Thats right, the totalitarian state will do these things for us. Its the only way to get (read as FORCE) all people to comply to the rules that are created.
I actually agree with all of this in principle though, just letting you know the correct information because what you are talking about can actually land you in huge trouble.


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Actually only 3 states require the sort of license you are speaking of and one of those states is just for handguns. And as for private sales only 25 states have any requirements on private sales and not all 25 of those even require background checks. Some states its just for pistols and others its just a requirement that a sheriff supervise the sale or stuff like that. I have never lived in any of these states. The flying I was talking about was boarding a commercial plane and riding it somewhere.

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08 Jan 2020 22:11 #348191 by Adder
Someone has to hold the keys, and that body or system exists no matter whether it is behind a paperwall or smartphone screen. I'm not sure how that translates to dispersal of power to the people.. more risk of the opposite BUT it could be more efficient at the risk of totalurian abuse or security breaches. The Chinese government is doing this, but going further and using facial recognition :whistle:

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08 Jan 2020 22:44 #348192 by Fyxe
who decides what rules there needs to be anyway? like is there an app for that! LMAO. and if there is an app for that is it a simple strait vote? and if it is a simple straight vote how is that not mob rule... ya know the old addage of two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner?

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08 Jan 2020 23:21 - 08 Jan 2020 23:23 #348194 by JamesSand

Actually only 3 states require the sort of license you are speaking of and one of those states is just for handguns. And as for private sales only 25 states have any requirements on private sales and not all 25 of those even require background checks. Some states its just for pistols and others its just a requirement that a sheriff supervise the sale or stuff like that. I have never lived in any of these states. The flying I was talking about was boarding a commercial plane and riding it somewhere.



Well that can't be right, because there are at least six states and two territories in Australia that require safety courses, background checks, licencing and all firearms to be registered in their state of use/storage - with escalating requirements/justifications for perceived "higher risk" firearms (ie - pistols or semi/automatic)

I'm not saying one system is better than another, just that, y'know, this website, and the grassroots anarchy system proposed...are global....
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