Doctrine proposal on defining the force .

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06 Dec 2019 00:09 #346844 by J. K. Barger
It looks like someone voted MULTIPLE times.

Within seconds of each other.

@Ally how do we know if someone voted more than once?

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06 Dec 2019 00:31 #346845 by Alethea Thompson
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to tell who did. The best I could do is tally what is left after taking out multiple done within seconds? It may have been a technical glitch on their own end and not done on purpose.
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06 Dec 2019 02:31 #346851 by Rex
Unfortunately the only way to prevent that would require redoing the poll

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06 Dec 2019 04:45 #346855 by Malicious
Well to be fair these definitions are vague and for the most part abrahamic religions have relatively the same definition or interpretation so I mainly stuck with Judaism . Some sects have slightly different beliefs/ definitions on this matter .

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06 Dec 2019 07:36 - 06 Dec 2019 07:42 #346860 by Adder
I find myself describing/defining 'connection to it', but that is about me just as much as it... probably. Which sort of suits the current format of the doctrine as a evergreen guidance document... to that same end.

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07 Dec 2019 01:43 #346898 by Alethea Thompson
Updated. Looks like we have 3 words, do we want to include all 3? Choose 1 or 2? Thoughts?
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07 Dec 2019 10:25 #346909 by Malicious
Well I think once you feel there is an accurate representation / the number of people you think is enough to satisfy the vote , we should narrow it down to the main words and make a new poll . The way things are going the first part of the definition in the majority ubiquitous , close second is universal . In the lead for the second part of the definition is living so when you think there is an accurate representation for the temple then we need to have a poll choosing between ubiquitous and universal . The second part of the definition should be fine with living I guess .

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07 Dec 2019 13:21 #346915 by Alexandre Orion
Just realise that any definition you agree upon, it is going to be parsimonious -- indeed, the purpose of the poll is one of reduction.

It is a very bad idea to base a belief system around parsimony. :dry:

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07 Dec 2019 18:23 #346928 by Alethea Thompson
Incorrect, and a terrible use of that word- parsimony deals with resources and finances.

It’s not restraining in the least, it’s updating. Whether or not that limits the Force in scope and ability to properly convey it is up to the people based on a collective belief. But even then, all the words suggested, with the -possible- exception of “metaphysical”(that is already in current use I might add) carries no limit to the Force’s role in the world and/or our path.

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07 Dec 2019 18:48 #346930 by Rex
Parsimony means simplicity or even stinginess. I'm not an accountant, but I'm sure it also can be a term of art in that context.

At any rate, choosing additional words tries to cram it into a box in my opinion and seems a bit reductive

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