The Jedi and the Bodhisattva

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30 Oct 2019 07:32 #345002 by Freedom
It occurs to me that the idea of the Jedi as a force for good is aligned with the Buddhist notion of the Bodhisattva or otherwise called the enlightening hero... As I go through the initiate program I may elaborate on this. The Bodhisattva embodying the highest form of hero in his/her role of awakening beings from their ignorance. Could the Jedi then be Bodhisattvas? What would you say are the differences if any?

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30 Oct 2019 09:51 #345009 by Freedom
I'm new here... And don't know where else to post discussions, I thought open discussions would be the best place for this topic? It's very confusing... I don't understand what you mean by posting comments only will close the discussion?

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30 Oct 2019 12:01 #345011 by OB1Shinobi
Freedom: Open Discussion is a fine place for this topic. The “geometry” poster is spamming and his replies are not really meant to contribute to the discussion.

Would one of the internet wizards confirm that this dudes links are safe to click? Not that i will check them out, lol, i’ll just feel better knowing.

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30 Oct 2019 12:44 #345012 by Kobos
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Removed post I didn't confirm the link but it is suspect and against TOS as is

Fighting what you cannot see, will only lead you to lash out with violence towards everyone. Know your enemy, and you may find yourself a friend.

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31 Oct 2019 15:30 #345043 by phillyr
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01 Nov 2019 08:29 #345072 by Freedom
Thank you for clearing that up... So back to the topic... Where do the similarities begin and end when comparing the Jedi and the bodhisattva?

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01 Nov 2019 11:55 #345073 by OB1Shinobi
I imagine the Buddhist enlightened ones probably not too big on chopping people up with laser swords?

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01 Nov 2019 12:34 #345076 by Freedom
That is a good point... Assuming that Jedi are keen on cutting people up? Don't you think that Jedi would use violence as a last resort... And if someone were so evil that they would harm countless others, don't you think that a bodhisattva may eliminate him, knowing that, that course of action is the only one left? Perhaps taking on the role of Kali the enlightened destroyer with wisdom and compassion in check, otherwise what are the Jedi apart from mindless soldiers? Surely to kill sith or robots is 'excusable'. On the other hand, we are talking about Jedi in this temples context, not George lucases fiction, I am sure non here would 'slice someone up'? Are the 'jedi' in this order after the highest perfection or mere fan boys? What are the majority goals of the members? Is it in line with the Bodhisattva ideals?

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01 Nov 2019 20:00 - 01 Nov 2019 20:14 #345098 by OB1Shinobi

Freedom wrote: That is a good point.

Thank you!



Assuming that Jedi are keen on cutting people up? Don't you think that Jedi would use violence as a last resort...

People interpret “last resort” differently.



And if someone were so evil that they would harm countless others, don't you think that a bodhisattva may eliminate him, knowing that, that course of action is the only one left?

Heres an interesting thing about people who profoundly wise: you dont know what they would do. Id have to assume myself as wise as a bodhisattva to answer the question.




Perhaps taking on the role of Kali the enlightened destroyer with wisdom and compassion in check,

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: - As a general rule, i think that people who can imagine themselves to be “compassionate and enlightened destroyers” ought to go outside and play a few rounds of marco polo in the nearest major intersection.




On the other hand, we are talking about Jedi in this temples context, not George lucases fiction, I am sure non here would 'slice someone up'? Are the 'jedi' in this order after the highest perfection or mere fan boys? What are the majority goals of the members?

I couldnt choose which of these two replies was more appropriate so im just gonna say them both and everyone can pick the one they like.

Reply 1: If you cant tell then I cant tell ya. But hey, custom lightsaber threads are pretty popular around here ;-)

Reply 2: hold on, let me tap into the hive mind to hear what our queen wants our goals to be— oh wait, we dont have a hive mind because we’re not the Borg.




Is it in line with the Bodhisattva ideals?


This is our Doctrine . It may be more helpful in answering some your questions than you feel i have been.

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02 Nov 2019 00:35 - 02 Nov 2019 00:35 #345105 by Kobos
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I think I agree with your premise here at the core Freedom. I have done some Buddhist Studies here through the temple community and I see what you getting at. But, I think to put it into context, yes that myth fits to a point, I see Jediism IRL and the doctrine as drawing a close parallel to the idea of the middle-path Buddhism and the Japanese idea of Jin.

As far as adopting the preemptive destroyer myth I would take issue with that. Is there excuse for any sort of preemptive violence? Certainty one should be aware of threats, and be ready to respond (this is the personal scale, national/global relations are way more complex). Would a Bodhiisattva strike first?

Just some thoughts.

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