Use of the Force

What is "use of the Force" meaning?

How does one use the light or the dark?

We as humans can't perform the feats of the Jedi or Sith from the saga, so how do you view use of the Force?

ནའдհдཀ༑ནკ wrote: What is "use of the Force" meaning?

How does one use the light or the dark?

We as humans can't perform the feats of the Jedi or Sith from the saga, so how do you view use of the Force?

As far as is commonly known.. but I've heard rumors of the ability to.. cheat.. the karmic cycle after death.. I think it's why some people in the scientific community want to study Tibetan Monks..

I get and see this question - a lot . A lot. May people feel that the movies and what is real life some times don’t mix. Some do. Either way- my question is always this - what is the Force ? If any one can be Jeddist and any human can choose what and where to label and and identify - what is the Force to you ? Some definitions can differ big time- and so - to be force sensitive and even force driven or even force user can fall under all that huge vast enormous spectrum of choice and availability.
Me personally- the Force to me is the connection I have with others - and even then - at that choice - it can be huge and never really be explained mostly experienced. I see a bum and “feel” the difference between a beggar and some one hungry and out of luck. When I meet fathers and mothers out and about and that connection takes - or that broken heart that bleeds and just needs that “hey - been there done that - your not alone - tomorrow will come with or without this.” Thats my force or the force to me. At the same time I share definitions of it with others and some I do not - knowing what their force is and accepting it - not tolerating but accepting - that’s theirs - and for me - respecting it ... makes the Force to me so ... nice.
How do I use it... like that and why like that - my life was filled with hurt and uncontent - ness - I use the Force to change that and maybe to help others like me. It defiantly brings joy and a lot of things I didn’t have - maybe it and my example - can help. Either way - yes or no - I am better for it.

There's a great diversity of ideas just regarding what the Force even is, or if it is even in some way knowable, never mind what, if anything, is to be done with it.
My best contribution comes from my "New Age " background, in which one can easily equate the Force and Magick. Magick is it's own can of worms, similarly, on matters of perception, definition and applications, but, in the simplest modern terms, both can be viewed as operating on a principal of combined will as well as direct and indirect action.
Focus and intent are paramount, but it's not enough to project desired results into the aether, measures/action/effort are required as well.
Modern wizardry sums this up with the rule "the best way to predict the future is to create it". Or, as I like to put, a cosmic application of "Trust but verify "; if you want to contribute to your team's success in a baseball game, you can wish yourself silly for the ball to come your way, but you still have to exert the attention and capability to catch it once it does.
Some view it as a fountain of knowledge/wisdom, either seeking what it has to offer, taking what they can as it comes, or appealing to it to bestow whatever they can grasp, with particular things in mind.
I apologize that I don't have more to share, but, I hope I've given you some clear ideas to work with.
May The Force Guide You.

I practice a few different kinds of meditation which produce different results in the mind and body. Tummo, for example, helps to generate heat. I'm not sure if that's "using the Force". We are all One with the Force, indistinct from it. In a sense, every action we commit "uses" the Force. Its Will is what occurs; it does not distinguish light and dark or exert preference. I guess being mindful of the Force might count as using it.

ནའдհдཀ༑ནკ wrote: What is "use of the Force" meaning?

How does one use the light or the dark?

We as humans can't perform the feats of the Jedi or Sith from the saga, so how do you view use of the Force?

Seems like you're asking if the Force is magic. And I think when a lot of people talk about magic it is from the perspective of how they can access it for their own use or manipulation. People want power for different reasons without necessarily thinking about the wants, needs, or interests of the thing they're using or manipulating.

I'm not saying the Force has wants and needs per se, but why, if it did, would it want to be used by you?

In strictly my opinion (and everyone is entitled to their own), the Force is simply the energy composing and binding all things. Energy is always trying to find balance within a system so it's not necessarily someone "using" the Force, but rather opening themselves as a conduit for the Force to use them. When Ben tells Luke to "use the Force" he was simply telling him to let go of his conscious control and just feel. The Force would then tell him when to push the button and then he did. So it wasn't like he made the shot and used the Force to force his shot in the target. The Force simply told him when he was on target.

ZealotX wrote: In strictly my opinion (and everyone is entitled to their own), the Force is simply the energy composing and binding all things. Energy is always trying to find balance within a system so it's not necessarily someone "using" the Force, but rather opening themselves as a conduit for the Force to use them. When Ben tells Luke to "use the Force" he was simply telling him to let go of his conscious control and just feel. The Force would then tell him when to push the button and then he did. So it wasn't like he made the shot and used the Force to force his shot in the target. The Force simply told him when he was on target.

I prefer the thought of the Force flowing through us as conduits. I feel like the Force has used me plenty of times and I feel that my life has been persevered more times than I can count. I fully believe that when it's your time, it happens. For some reason I have survived accidents, bombs, mortars, small arms fire, and other near misses. I can count the times that should have killed me on at least two hands, and in almost all those cases I was totally unharmed.

I actually don't doubt that many of the abilities displayed in the movies are probably achievable with the will of the Force.

When I think about the number of times it's stated to, "let go," or, "search your feelings," I have to consider, "of what?" What I think is being asked is of our limitations. Consider that we impose limitations by learning mortality. When you do max on a bench press for instance, you learn what your limit is in lifting weight. Searching your feelings might demonstrate a deep connection with others allowing you to glimpse things from other points of view. This differs from the sensory limitations that we have from our 5 senses.

Allowing ourselves to believe that we have no real limitations might be the key to being able to channel the Force where we feel it's appropriate. Should the Force be willing, miracles will happen...

ནའдհдཀ༑ནკ wrote: What is "use of the Force" meaning?

How does one use the light or the dark?

We as humans can't perform the feats of the Jedi or Sith from the saga, so how do you view use of the Force?

I would be quite curious to understand your definition of "The Force" before I could describe use of it?

I could say I use the force when I walk to hold myself to the ground, or when I turn on a switch to light a room, or even as a means to hold my very body together. Or I could say I use the force when I comfort a child that has had a run in with The Force and scraped her knee. Is this the dark side and the light side working against each other? I would venture to say not because I could interpret the event as a positive expedience in the end for the child. She learns to not run down hills to fast and that is valuable experience to have. So what is it exactly that you mean when you say "The Force"?

ནའдհдཀ༑ནკ wrote:

ZealotX wrote: In strictly my opinion (and everyone is entitled to their own), the Force is simply the energy composing and binding all things. Energy is always trying to find balance within a system so it's not necessarily someone "using" the Force, but rather opening themselves as a conduit for the Force to use them. When Ben tells Luke to "use the Force" he was simply telling him to let go of his conscious control and just feel. The Force would then tell him when to push the button and then he did. So it wasn't like he made the shot and used the Force to force his shot in the target. The Force simply told him when he was on target.

I prefer the thought of the Force flowing through us as conduits. I feel like the Force has used me plenty of times and I feel that my life has been persevered more times than I can count. I fully believe that when it's your time, it happens. For some reason I have survived accidents, bombs, mortars, small arms fire, and other near misses. I can count the times that should have killed me on at least two hands, and in almost all those cases I was totally unharmed.

I actually don't doubt that many of the abilities displayed in the movies are probably achievable with the will of the Force.

When I think about the number of times it's stated to, "let go," or, "search your feelings," I have to consider, "of what?" What I think is being asked is of our limitations. Consider that we impose limitations by learning mortality. When you do max on a bench press for instance, you learn what your limit is in lifting weight. Searching your feelings might demonstrate a deep connection with others allowing you to glimpse things from other points of view. This differs from the sensory limitations that we have from our 5 senses.

Allowing ourselves to believe that we have no real limitations might be the key to being able to channel the Force where we feel it's appropriate. Should the Force be willing, miracles will happen...

The Force IS reality, in its multiplicity it manifests in many different ways. Physical Matter is one.. You can feel the deeper parts because of the similarity your soul shares with it.. your whole being, as it were, is a microcosm of the macro that is The Force.. it "speaks" to us through all things.. as was said by Apostle Paul:

"one God(Force) and Father(Originator) of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Eph. 4:6

Can you explain more here? Cheat it in what way?

There was a post going around FB that said something to the effect that everything is energy and you can control it with the power of your mind. The gist of it being that if you wish it with intent it will happen. It had some great points and some lose ends if you ask me. When I consider the Force, I can't help but relate it to God; a being like us that we can relate to. I don't think of the Force as one being but all beings, past, present and future. The collective consciousness of everything working to preserve an existence that we can experience. The Force has a will and a plan for us. I know many don't believe in fate or destiny, but I have to believe that there is something to this. I've escaped death so many times where others don't even have a close call, they just end up dead in their first encounter. I fully believe that when it's your time it will happen, you will not cheat it. If you don't die it's cause you're not ready and only the Force knows when you are, or more appropriately, when the Force is ready for you.

When it comes to using the Force, I believe we don't, but the Force will use us. We can use the Force if the Force wills what we are attempting to do. This includes simple acts such as comforting someone when they needed to hear what we say, to great feats like lifting a ton weight car off of someone. If the Force is energy, then whenever we transfer energy we are using the Force. We can summon the Force, collecting energy around us, allowing us to overexert ourselves without strain.

When I watch the movies or shows that show the use of Force powers, like lifting something, or pushing something, I'm often considering how there seems to be so much physical strain from it. I think the point of this is that if all the power was in the mind the strain on the brain would probably kill someone quickly. Thus channeling the energy through the body is a necessity for the power not to overwhelm and kill someone trying. But then this still feels like the fantasy realm over any practical application of fact or science.

I do believe the Force to be following science and that what I believe is founded in fact over faith. I find it fun to contemplate, evaluate, and hypothesize what is real vs what is fantasy.

ནའдհдཀ༑ནკ wrote: There was a post going around FB that said something to the effect that everything is energy and you can control it with the power of your mind. The gist of it being that if you wish it with intent it will happen. It had some great points and some lose ends if you ask me. When I consider the Force, I can't help but relate it to God; a being like us that we can relate to. I don't think of the Force as one being but all beings, past, present and future. The collective consciousness of everything working to preserve an existence that we can experience. The Force has a will and a plan for us. I know many don't believe in fate or destiny, but I have to believe that there is something to this. I've escaped death so many times where others don't even have a close call, they just end up dead in their first encounter. I fully believe that when it's your time it will happen, you will not cheat it. If you don't die it's cause you're not ready and only the Force knows when you are, or more appropriately, when the Force is ready for you.

When it comes to using the Force, I believe we don't, but the Force will use us. We can use the Force if the Force wills what we are attempting to do. This includes simple acts such as comforting someone when they needed to hear what we say, to great feats like lifting a ton weight car off of someone. If the Force is energy, then whenever we transfer energy we are using the Force. We can summon the Force, collecting energy around us, allowing us to overexert ourselves without strain.

When I watch the movies or shows that show the use of Force powers, like lifting something, or pushing something, I'm often considering how there seems to be so much physical strain from it. I think the point of this is that if all the power was in the mind the strain on the brain would probably kill someone quickly. Thus channeling the energy through the body is a necessity for the power not to overwhelm and kill someone trying. But then this still feels like the fantasy realm over any practical application of fact or science.

I do believe the Force to be following science and that what I believe is founded in fact over faith. I find it fun to contemplate, evaluate, and hypothesize what is real vs what is fantasy.

It is very much a fun exercise to contemplate how one might influence the Force but we, being energy of a physical form, are already influencing and manipulating energy. What people simply propose is that one manipulates physical energy without physical force. But I guarantee if I buy something on Amazon right now a robot will get activated and move some product in a warehouse. But that's not what people want. People want magic which is, by nature, unscientific. I can go to a store and make doors open without touching them. But again... that's not what people want. They want magic.

Because we want magic, when we have experiences we cannot explain our minds explain them by telling us we have a magic power. It was the belief in "Attraction" that was real big but what did it really do? It was basically a program that told your brain that if something you wanted happened that it was your mind wanting it which made it happen. If you did nothing to make it happen then you simply didn't want it to happen enough. If it happened by coincidence then confirmation bias would kick in and the person would then connect the coincidence with having a magic power.

Example: my ex thought she was using the power of attraction on parking spaces. But let's think about it. Did the power of attraction go back in time to do the work of influencing people to either leave or not park in those closer spots? Or is it more rational that people are constantly moving and going in and out of parking spaces so if YOU go at the right time then you'll get a close spot? If you want to think it's happening because of you its not going to be disproved when it does work. This is also how God works. When people pray for something does it happened because they prayed? Or does it happen because it was always going to happen or happened as a result of people's choices or activity? People then simply discredit the actual mechanics of how it happened and apply the credit for the coincidence or the choices of other people, to God such that you cannot separate the actions of God from the actions of people.

Spot on Zealot.

I would use the example of non-combat sword forms, because, I like the analogies I have heard made. The sword and myself exist regardless of the Force, you can argue for being because of it, but that's not applicable because you in fact do already exist.

So you can break this down a lot, I exists, as part of the physical body existing I have to take in energy, which come form different natural tracks of energy form changing it works through the different energy to allow my body to move (sorry fast forward talk). The sword being separate from my body then acts as a tool of energy transfer as well as changing the motion or amplifying the force behind the movement. So by learning these forms I am learning how to manipulate all these forces that are both in and outside of the body. This repeated over and over becomes a process of changing energy, say you have become a master maybe the personal energy you have mentally shifts to teaching others these manipulations.

Instruments, I view very similarly, just the simple fact that you are manipulating the force of another object into an entirely different form of energy is amazing to think about. Add that with both you can apply emotions and feelings into them and well.

I would assert that those are examples of ways we in fact have manipulation of the Force "powers" as science understands to this point. There is a lot of freaky things out there though and the improbable is not the impossible. So, I will admit to being open to the possibilities of the "magic" part of the Force belief. On some level it, becomes a matter of faith beyond that. I find myself asking am I separate or a part of the Force? I find proof of both in the likely so I tend not to reach for the highly improbable to often, but I still do once in a bit. How do you mentally reach for the improbable?

Did meditating/praying the other day on the uncontrollable factors I wanted to control in group project go where I wanted it too? I don't know, I do know the situation happened, and this time I agree with the outcome more than I dislike it. And would the situation have played out the same without me involved?

Just a 5 cent ramble,
Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos