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14 Mar 2019 06:57 - 14 Mar 2019 07:24 #335552
by Adder
Replied by Adder on topic US Universal Healthcare
The F35 kicks arse! Lockheed Martin should hire me I could sing its praises so loud 
Defense spending is one of those things.... the US (and 'the West') needs a technological advantage to counter for the numerical disadvantage it has against the pool of other players both individually (in China alone) or as pacts (like the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation). And R&D costs a fortune.... and must be ongoing. Then add to that the higher standards of living required by developed countries in 'the West' and the military is going to be expensive, really expensive. But history tends to tell a story of preparation prevents poor performance, and so when it comes to security its of the highest need. No need for healthcare if your being invaded :silly: And no-one can magic up an innovation advantage to large capability overnight, especially in the time that a large low tech threat can develop increases in its capabilities - the mismatch affords them an advantage, as its just easier to make lots of simple stuff if you have the boots to wield it. Not only that, but having the technological advantage is the same as having the advantage of surprise, which for a good intentioned nation is a good thing (affords fast and effective reaction to surprise), but for a bad intentioned nation its a really bad thing (see Hitler).
Then of course add to that all the other security demands placed on it to support globalization and continued expansion of human rights. It's great to see the finish line but sprinting too soon might put one out the race entirely. It's a long game, something China seems quite good at.
PS: the F35 is going to cost closer to $100 million per unit, but there are various ways to measure cost of course; per flying hour, per jet, per jet plus share of whole fleet program supports etc etc.
Defense spending is one of those things.... the US (and 'the West') needs a technological advantage to counter for the numerical disadvantage it has against the pool of other players both individually (in China alone) or as pacts (like the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation). And R&D costs a fortune.... and must be ongoing. Then add to that the higher standards of living required by developed countries in 'the West' and the military is going to be expensive, really expensive. But history tends to tell a story of preparation prevents poor performance, and so when it comes to security its of the highest need. No need for healthcare if your being invaded :silly: And no-one can magic up an innovation advantage to large capability overnight, especially in the time that a large low tech threat can develop increases in its capabilities - the mismatch affords them an advantage, as its just easier to make lots of simple stuff if you have the boots to wield it. Not only that, but having the technological advantage is the same as having the advantage of surprise, which for a good intentioned nation is a good thing (affords fast and effective reaction to surprise), but for a bad intentioned nation its a really bad thing (see Hitler).
Then of course add to that all the other security demands placed on it to support globalization and continued expansion of human rights. It's great to see the finish line but sprinting too soon might put one out the race entirely. It's a long game, something China seems quite good at.
PS: the F35 is going to cost closer to $100 million per unit, but there are various ways to measure cost of course; per flying hour, per jet, per jet plus share of whole fleet program supports etc etc.
Last edit: 14 Mar 2019 07:24 by Adder.
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15 Mar 2019 09:27 #335686
by JamesSand
Replied by JamesSand on topic US Universal Healthcare
You can have the best plane in the world, but it ain't much use if the pilot has the flu :dry: :lol: :silly:
Back onto healthcare - I have no idea of the mysteries of the US economy, but the Australian system (sort of) works (after a fashion)
Adders statement of "What does it cost for the public system.... 2% taxation on income." is not being completely honest.
Tax payers who earn a certain income are required to contribute that in order to access healthcare, (over or under a given threshold changes your contribution) but it only covers you for a certain range of services (of note, dental is not covered) and you better rather hope you're not in a hurry, because there is a bit of a wait for many things.
hence where private insurance comes in (which saves the G-man a bit of coin, so they'll actually give you some money BACK for buying private insurance....although this is obviously well known to the private insurance providers, so who knows if they just calculate some more into their premium so you feel like you're getting a rebate, but it ain't going into your pocket) and private insurance is in the business of making money, so they only cover you "up to" a certain figure (unlike a car, you're not covered for total write-off, that's a different insurance again
) - and doctors (and the other services involved - generally whoever owns the surgery/hospital, and anaesthetists etc) can charge whatever they want. So if a total head transplant is calculated to cost (say) $5000, but the doctor, surgery, rehab, etc etc bill runs to $10,000, you're still out $5k (plus your premium, plus your excess)
It's a bit hinky really, but if you're the sort of person who likes regular dental care, wears glasses, and enjoys regular upkeep on your flimsy, squishy husk, then the couple of grand it costs you a year is a necessary evil.
(There's other contributors as well, for example all employers are required to pay "Workers Compensation" - another hinky system that is hell to navigate if you actually intend to use it, but in theory means that your employer has to pay for any injuries or illnesses that occur due to your occupation (self employed people have to buy their own insurance) - however the regulations for this vary by state and many people simply can't be arsed utilising it unless it is a major injury, so it's just free money for the insurance providers.
So back to maintaining happy, healthy, and loyal citizens - cost of acquisition and maintenance of the platform itself aside - what does it cost to make and keep a pilot? (or a servicing technician?)
is it cheaper to look after the people you've got, or to keep building new ones?
Back onto healthcare - I have no idea of the mysteries of the US economy, but the Australian system (sort of) works (after a fashion)
Adders statement of "What does it cost for the public system.... 2% taxation on income." is not being completely honest.
Tax payers who earn a certain income are required to contribute that in order to access healthcare, (over or under a given threshold changes your contribution) but it only covers you for a certain range of services (of note, dental is not covered) and you better rather hope you're not in a hurry, because there is a bit of a wait for many things.
hence where private insurance comes in (which saves the G-man a bit of coin, so they'll actually give you some money BACK for buying private insurance....although this is obviously well known to the private insurance providers, so who knows if they just calculate some more into their premium so you feel like you're getting a rebate, but it ain't going into your pocket) and private insurance is in the business of making money, so they only cover you "up to" a certain figure (unlike a car, you're not covered for total write-off, that's a different insurance again
) - and doctors (and the other services involved - generally whoever owns the surgery/hospital, and anaesthetists etc) can charge whatever they want. So if a total head transplant is calculated to cost (say) $5000, but the doctor, surgery, rehab, etc etc bill runs to $10,000, you're still out $5k (plus your premium, plus your excess)It's a bit hinky really, but if you're the sort of person who likes regular dental care, wears glasses, and enjoys regular upkeep on your flimsy, squishy husk, then the couple of grand it costs you a year is a necessary evil.
(There's other contributors as well, for example all employers are required to pay "Workers Compensation" - another hinky system that is hell to navigate if you actually intend to use it, but in theory means that your employer has to pay for any injuries or illnesses that occur due to your occupation (self employed people have to buy their own insurance) - however the regulations for this vary by state and many people simply can't be arsed utilising it unless it is a major injury, so it's just free money for the insurance providers.
So back to maintaining happy, healthy, and loyal citizens - cost of acquisition and maintenance of the platform itself aside - what does it cost to make and keep a pilot? (or a servicing technician?)
is it cheaper to look after the people you've got, or to keep building new ones?
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