What would help the Temple Be A Better Place? Suggestions please...

Sure you don't seem like you all want to learn anything... its more about relative semantics and being right about your own path, perception and ego design... and less about what you can do for the other... a very bad sign... that the force you love so much is not actually present within you and that even if you tried harder you could not because your stuck in your own ruts... this is not conducive to a learning environment and less becoming of a true Jedi... I would say: its just a matter of time and their won't be many left now... the real hardcore ones that actually change the world with their intentions and actions and are not caught up in their reactions and ego offended when someone has something to say about service...

JEDIONE777 wrote: Sure you don't seem like you all want to learn anything... its more about relative semantics and being right about your own path, perception and ego design... and less about what you can do for the other... a very bad sign... that the force you love so much is not actually present within you and that even if you tried harder you could not because your stuck in your own ruts... this is not conducive to a learning environment and less becoming of a true Jedi... I would say: its just a matter of time and their won't be many left now... the real hardcore ones that actually change the world with their intentions and actions and are not caught up in their reactions and ego offended when someone has something to say about service...

You say that without learning about the people you're aiming that at, what they do day-to-day, their practises, and their training. Before pulling the trigger, perhaps try to identify friendlies.

Define "true Jedi" for me because I don't think there is a definition to a "true Jedi" because there is no one answer. Arisaig does have a point, all you see is what we write on here, you don't know what kind of person someone is outside this virtual world. Being judgmental is not very Jedi like, by the way.

just saying, with utmost respect.

JEDIONE777 wrote: Sure you don't seem like you all want to learn anything... its more about relative semantics and being right about your own path, perception and ego design... and less about what you can do for the other... a very bad sign... that the force you love so much is not actually present within you and that even if you tried harder you could not because your stuck in your own ruts... this is not conducive to a learning environment and less becoming of a true Jedi... I would say: its just a matter of time and their won't be many left now... the real hardcore ones that actually change the world with their intentions and actions and are not caught up in their reactions and ego offended when someone has something to say about service...

"You all?"
Excuse me, but have you taken the time to get to know me, or anyone else here? I barely post in the forums as it is, how can you make such claims at the general membership here like that when you've only scratched the surface?

One other thing, please don't mistake "your version" of Jediism as "the version" to judge all others, because everyone here is walking their own path, some are having a hard time if it just to get through the day sometimes...

We're also not the only Jedi site in the net, if for some reason we don't live up "to your standards" there are other sites who may very well do so...

I hope you find what it is you seek....

Being real with your emotions and authentic with your being is more important than blind judgements I will give you that... what is not ok is the crushing of diversity for diversities sake.... this is a very old game that has been going on for a very long time... factions have fought for it and died for it... learning what? That the entire world is but a reflection of their reality.... and nothing but a mirrored perception... upon which that neutral observer within your own mind is not active to the point of being conscious this is the great shame... ill talk more tomorrow for now I must get some rest... be do... try not...

Though that is true, special attention should be given to our disposition precisely for that reason. It doesn't do well to behave in one manner and then say to another who is discouraged by it, "you don't know the real me"

This is all we get, and you control what you put out here. More perhaps than any other medium of communication

Rosalyn J wrote: Though that is true, special attention should be given to our disposition precisely for that reason. It doesn't do well to behave in one manner and then say to another who is discouraged by it, "you don't know the real me"

This is all we get, and you control what you put out here. More perhaps than any other medium of communication

What manner? I'm still clueless as to what were really talking about, lol! Specifics people, please....

JEDIONE777 wrote: This is exactly the attitude I am talking about: the spirit of serving: what an earth is wrong with that... please enlighten me... I find these forums discursive and without proper aim, clarity, reality and defining collective goals: besides becoming enlightened whom ever said it was just this... its the action in the world that matters not the being whom enacts it...

Alexander,

I'm curious about what you mean with "collective goals". What kind of change would you like to see around here?

I find this temple has put a lot of effort and time into all of this, with that being said I beliee that the privacy of the journals and the way to become a member should possibly change.
those who do believe iin the force and all the teachings of jediism should be allowed to be a member and yes those who don't believe right now can end up believeing in the future but hear me out.
I have been here a month and I already see controversy between jedi and others. and I see memebers who obviously don't truly believe in the force and ethir treat this a roleplaying or just something to do and yes there are guests who are serious about bettering themselves and still ont believe in the force. but yes the amount that should be done in the field of guests would not just make member here who have been memebers for years more comfortable itll make a lot of emotional tension disappear and unneeded drama disappear.
with all this being said here is what I personally believe that shuld be changed to making becoming a member more of a jedi experience.

Within the application to becoming a jedi one must first fininsh a brand new original IP one specifically made to become a jedi and with that time period of accepting the application we valuate the answeres. (I'm not saying we have to be strict but actually vary leanyent) I mean anyone can become a believer in jedi ism and we don't want this to be anything negative but the ip members program should be
about our beliefs
the way of the force
and the way of the jedi
just so before anyone becomes a member they will have a great understanding on what it means to be a true jedi. a real jedi.

and anyone wanting to learn more about jediism will have no problem watching or reading the IP just to get a better understanding of who we are. I strongly believe that alone will solve a huge amount of problems.

Deeply,
Bradly Thomas
May the force be with you.

Bradly wrote: I find this temple has put a lot of effort and time into all of this, with that being said I beliee that the privacy of the journals and the way to become a member should possibly change.
those who do believe iin the force and all the teachings of jediism should be allowed to be a member and yes those who don't believe right now can end up believeing in the future but hear me out.
I have been here a month and I already see controversy between jedi and others. and I see memebers who obviously don't truly believe in the force and ethir treat this a roleplaying or just something to do and yes there are guests who are serious about bettering themselves and still ont believe in the force. but yes the amount that should be done in the field of guests would not just make member here who have been memebers for years more comfortable itll make a lot of emotional tension disappear and unneeded drama disappear.
with all this being said here is what I personally believe that shuld be changed to making becoming a member more of a jedi experience.

Within the application to becoming a jedi one must first fininsh a brand new original IP one specifically made to become a jedi and with that time period of accepting the application we valuate the answeres. (I'm not saying we have to be strict but actually vary leanyent) I mean anyone can become a believer in jedi ism and we don't want this to be anything negative but the ip members program should be
about our beliefs
the way of the force
and the way of the jedi
just so before anyone becomes a member they will have a great understanding on what it means to be a true jedi. a real jedi.

and anyone wanting to learn more about jediism will have no problem watching or reading the IP just to get a better understanding of who we are. I strongly believe that alone will solve a huge amount of problems.

Deeply,
Bradly Thomas
May the force be with you.

That would mean defining Jediism, restricting it and cutting out those that don't meet that standard. More likely than not, that would cut out a bit of leadership, and we need those.

A new IP won't change things, sadly. Anyone can bull and do the IP, new or old, and still not be a Jedi. How would you determine who is and who is not a Jedi? I know a few around here that may not consider me one, and have straight up said it to me. But then there are others that call me an excellent example of what it is to be a Jedi. Who is right, who is wrong?

I cannot delete this post I meant to make a reply to arisag. I apologize

I apologise I meant to put not to restrict or cause the temple to have that sort of powe and yes I see that no one has the true duty to say what is right and what is wrong, and by all means I'm not saying "LETS GET RID OF THE NON JEDIS" that its self is very non jedi way. all I suggest is a new ip. and yes people can lie and say what ever just to beome a jedi but it will alwaysbe there and even if it helps just one person that should be enough. but aye we shouldn't have the right to chose just a spit ball. but the ip itself would and possibly make a huge difference.
but
withing the memebership application
it does state that they will monitor the application
and chose to accept it or not. so isn't that the same thing to be honest?
whats an extra step?
the ip if done correctly wouldn't take more than 3 days to learn and to wright about, so itll fit perfectly within the 7 day peramiter.
I do believe we should give everyone a chance that's why I suggest it, so those who are coming in just for laughs will see something other than and quote (from what my grandpa told me " people who worship fiction" and I have seen people who treat this as the fictional starwars jedi order. and it does sadden me a bit to see that and that they are memebers of the order
and as a memever
they now represent the order itself.
I have hope and faith in the temple
and I know a lot of us do to.
its a matter of personal view.
but the ip would help solve issues. even if its small and takes along time.

thank you .

I sorry if this won't be popular, I really don't see how a Star Wars category adds to the credibility of the Temple as a religious organization. I think if there were less movie/fantasy/images posted and in discussions the Temple would be looked as more of a cultivator of the living force and personal development.

The IP is not designed to be completed that quickly, Bradly. It's not something you can just go through and check mark boxes in. Currently the IP has a 60 minimum requirement from start to the earliest point you can become an initiate. This is to force you to slow down, think, and actually digest the material that's there and learn from it.

Further, the IP is also designed to be the first step on the training process if you want to gain a rank at TOTJO, nothing more. TOTJO has never required her members to seek rank in order to be a member. In fact, there are plenty of people here who are strong, contributing members of TOTJO that have never even begun the IP. Neither is meant to be a prerequisite for the other.

As for the actual content of the IP, in my almost five years here, that has evolved and changed multiple times. I'm sure it will again. And I don't think the knights are above fielding suggestions if you have specific ones in mind.

Arisaig wrote: But then there are others that call me an excellent example of what it is to be a Jedi. Who is right, who is wrong?

I am right. Confusion cleared. You are welcome. :laugh:

Rickie wrote: I sorry if this won't be popular, I really don't see how a Star Wars category adds to the credibility of the Temple as a religious organization. I think if there were less movie/fantasy/images posted and in discussions the Temple would be looked as more of a cultivator of the living force and personal development.

In other words: Let the geek die. Kill it if you have to.

I disagree. I think the fantasy adds to our particular flavor of life. A good example of geekiness used for the power of good can be found here (not a Jediism site): https://www.nerdfitness.com/

hmm. thank toy araisag and Avalon, you are both correct.
but like the thread states sugggestions.
I apologize for making it seem that if I tried to filter the jedi temple that was not my initiative.
and yes, I read your post 4 times Avalon and thought
you make a very valid point
and I retract my initial statement but add a new one
to add some sort of video or anything for those who just wis to know about jediism and the temple without being a member or asking every individual what they personaly view and think.
as in a introduction video.

Manu wrote to reply with rickie: In other words: Let the geek die. Kill it if you have to.

I disagree. I think the fantasy adds to our particular flavor of life. A good example of geekiness used for the power of good can be found here (not a Jediism site): www.nerdfitness.com/

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I disagree but agree as well. what rickie said is a little of how you put it " let the geek die" but rickie has a point in some ways. yes a lot of religion has posts of many thins. Christianity angels and such budhism the diagram of the chakra points. and us. jedi from starwars. all religion started from a single point not all from the same point but they branch off to a new height leaving the fiction and becoming the enlightened
and we are doing the same
yes I have a jedi robe andlove starwars but I also know that there is a point for everything. suh as quotes from the movie " do or do not there is no try" speak very profoundly. and 90% of the "Geek " photo are us posing for our profile. and that is it
but with all that. I see where rickie is coming from and how to some all they will see is starwars and not the force.
but as jedi it is our duty to show the will of the force
and not gorge lucas.

Bradly wrote: but as jedi it is our duty to show the will of the force
and not gorge lucas.

Does the Force tell you these things? What if it tells me the opposite? That the fiction is helpful? What if the Force is bored and is telling us different things to watch us lash it out in a forum, for its entertainment?

I am being silly, of course.

I see where you and Rickie are coming from. I personally do not own a robe, or a saber, nor do I publicly call myself a Jedi.

They are all props. Similar to a cup and athame for Pagans, Cross and Wine for Christians, we have our own symbols that can aid as a tool to focus the mind.

So, while I understand your point, I would postulate that forcing anyone to remove the props for the sole purpose of "looking more serious" to outsiders would be a misstep.

I completely agree, and I never once said to kill the geek. to be honest my reply was my best attempt at a common ground. as you can see I have a robe as my picture and I love it. but like I stated the will of the force can be from the movie or something completely different entirely.