Sith Discussion

Would be cool to get a Sith conversation going so that those of us either on that path or interested in learning about it could discuss it. Would also be cool to get it Stickied so that it can easily be found.

First off, have you spent a decent amount of time looking for those answers to questions you have yet to ask in this thread, in the forums?

A hint, if your not willing to go dig and do the work to find what you seek, your likely never to find whatever you're looking for.

Dont take it personally. You've stated you learn more from discussion than reading, that says "im not willing to do the work and want the answers on a platter."

That's how it appears anyways...

It doesnt work like that...

Not to mention that it isn't the sith way to simply give anything way that is not earned...

First, this post is as much about me learning as it is about others gaining access to information.

Second. I'm kinesthetic. A musician. A visual artist. And a tech consultant. My paradigm is one of asking in the moment. I don't always know the questions I wish to ask without there first being a dialog. My entire perspective is one based in inspiration first and contemplation to assimilate or reject later. I've spent so much of my life working out how to improvise complex ideas artistically, that it is now how I experience life. So, the short answer I believe you are looking for is, "No." Not for lack of desire. Books leave me with a complete idea generally, and I assimilate or reject as I'm reading. I don't really give them much thought after the fact. Which is why reading a thread would be useless to me. In order for me to be able to understand something, I have to challenge it. Test its boundaries.

If reading a thread would be useless to you, then wouldnt this thread be useless.
After all you dont want to read so why should people post?

6h057 wrote: First, this post is as much about me learning as it is about others gaining access to information.

Second. I'm kinesthetic. A musician. A visual artist. And a tech consultant. My paradigm is one of asking in the moment. I don't always know the questions I wish to ask without there first being a dialog. My entire perspective is one based in inspiration first and contemplation to assimilate or reject later. I've spent so much of my life working out how to improvise complex ideas artistically, that it is now how I experience life. So, the short answer I believe you are looking for is, "No." Not for lack of desire. Books leave me with a complete idea generally, and I assimilate or reject as I'm reading. I don't really give them much thought after the fact. Which is why reading a thread would be useless to me. In order for me to be able to understand something, I have to challenge it. Test its boundaries.

Ryu's post explains it pretty simple, if you REALLY want it, you're going to HAVE to read and work for it, or be left behind.

If you honestly think somoene is going to spoon feed you on Sithism, A. The material wont be worth a dime, and B. If you didnt have to do things the hard way (in this context) you wouldn't place any substantial value in whatever you're trying to learn.

You may also want to try the force academy, its good for stuff n things...

elizabeth wrote: If reading a thread would be useless to you, then wouldnt this thread be useless.
After all you dont want to read so why should people post?

If the question was not asked by me, then I am stuck with no inspiration and it does not become my own idea. Again, I must have a conversation to test in the moment for it to be relevant to my perspective. All of life is improvisation to me.

My first question would be why (they) use the label.
Second might be then why would they tell you what it means to be one.
Third then might be why would I want to use the label, and fourth predictably to what extent can association with the fiction meet my want to use the label.

Then one might be in a position to assess how one might begin to define themselves in that context compared to how others do in something more then superficial fancy. Looking at anything from the outside is always going to be superficial - which is ok, as its often the most people can afford to do.

So for me I needed a working definition of the shared root terms... things like passion, emotion, feelings. In normal usage they are used interchangeably which weakens them. From there it might define concepts like darkness more if you reference the fiction a bit, because once you start putting more specific meaning into the fiction it starts shaping the subtext more acutely. But, like Jedi fiction, the Sith fiction may be junk in places... so it really revolves around ones motivations more I'd imagine.

I do though find an inherent dissonance in that path, which indeed might be the point!!!! I personally reckon it's a segment of the Jedi path in reality. So then in the fiction those who wore the moniker could be said to be just those who failed to move past that particular segment of training. In reality they might just prefer that modality, or peer network. But then a Jedi would say that :] #controversy

What question exactly did you have? Or were you hoping for a general chat?
Just curious.

Zenchi wrote:

6h057 wrote: First, this post is as much about me learning as it is about others gaining access to information.

Second. I'm kinesthetic. A musician. A visual artist. And a tech consultant. My paradigm is one of asking in the moment. I don't always know the questions I wish to ask without there first being a dialog. My entire perspective is one based in inspiration first and contemplation to assimilate or reject later. I've spent so much of my life working out how to improvise complex ideas artistically, that it is now how I experience life. So, the short answer I believe you are looking for is, "No." Not for lack of desire. Books leave me with a complete idea generally, and I assimilate or reject as I'm reading. I don't really give them much thought after the fact. Which is why reading a thread would be useless to me. In order for me to be able to understand something, I have to challenge it. Test its boundaries.

Ryu's post explains it pretty simple, if you REALLY want it, you're going to HAVE to read and work for it, or be left behind.

If you honestly think somoene is going to spoon feed you on Sithism, A. The material wont be worth a dime, and B. If you didnt have to do things the hard way (in this context) you wouldn't place any substantial value in whatever you're trying to learn.

You may also want to try the force academy, its good for stuff n things...

So what I am seeing, is that I must ask, but I also have to earn the answer. So if I have not yet proven myself to be worthy of an answer and I will only have knowledge and not experience from reading other's thoughts and responses, I'm understanding that this is turning into the conversation from the other Topic. Because I am not already a proven individual in this kind of thinking, I am unworthy of it. We have a circular argument here. I must have understanding in order to prove myself worthy, and I must ask questions in order to gain understanding in order to be worthy.

elizabeth wrote: What question exactly did you have? Or were you hoping for a general chat?
Just curious.

My first post was literally about how I don't know what questions to ask unless I have already established a dialog with someone.

Okay
What interest you about the label sith? Is it the movie image, idea of being dark and badassed.
Or just general interest and wanting to understand?

elizabeth wrote: Okay
What interest you about the label sith? Is it the movie image, idea of being dark and badassed.
Or just general interest and wanting to understand?

Really general interest in wanting to understand. As I have stated before, I do not see value in demonizing emotions. I'm an artist. Passion is a big part of how I do what I do. But then again, so are intellectualism and rational thinking as acting out of passion first is often harmful. Emotions are useful. So is the Ego. But only so far as they can be used constructively. At least in my paradigm.

The other side of it, is that I see great value in self sacrifice and being egoless as well. I see both as tools to the differing but similar ends.

6h057 wrote:

Zenchi wrote:

6h057 wrote: First, this post is as much about me learning as it is about others gaining access to information.

Second. I'm kinesthetic. A musician. A visual artist. And a tech consultant. My paradigm is one of asking in the moment. I don't always know the questions I wish to ask without there first being a dialog. My entire perspective is one based in inspiration first and contemplation to assimilate or reject later. I've spent so much of my life working out how to improvise complex ideas artistically, that it is now how I experience life. So, the short answer I believe you are looking for is, "No." Not for lack of desire. Books leave me with a complete idea generally, and I assimilate or reject as I'm reading. I don't really give them much thought after the fact. Which is why reading a thread would be useless to me. In order for me to be able to understand something, I have to challenge it. Test its boundaries.

Ryu's post explains it pretty simple, if you REALLY want it, you're going to HAVE to read and work for it, or be left behind.

If you honestly think somoene is going to spoon feed you on Sithism, A. The material wont be worth a dime, and B. If you didnt have to do things the hard way (in this context) you wouldn't place any substantial value in whatever you're trying to learn.

You may also want to try the force academy, its good for stuff n things...

So what I am seeing, is that I must ask, but I also have to earn the answer. So if I have not yet proven myself to be worthy of an answer and I will only have knowledge and not experience from reading other's thoughts and responses, I'm understanding that this is turning into the conversation from the other Topic. Because I am not already a proven individual in this kind of thinking, I am unworthy of it. We have a circular argument here. I must have understanding in order to prove myself worthy, and I must ask questions in order to gain understanding in order to be worthy.

You have yet to ask any questions lol. Not in this thread previous to your last post. And I may very well point you to the reading material ive already suggested or the Force Academy. If it's something specific, then perhaps we will have the beginnings of a real discussion...

Ok, so I will pull from my previous post. What role does the Ego play in the Sith paradigm?

Research....research...research...
In the other thread is a list of suggested reading, if perused it will generate thoughts,ideas,questions,and images will begin to form a root...this root will grow rapidly through additional research and the discussions the naturally evolve as you progress...

RyuJin wrote: Research....research...research...
In the other thread is a list of suggested reading, if perused it will generate thoughts,ideas,questions,and images will begin to form a root...this root will grow rapidly through additional research and the discussions the naturally evolve as you progress...

This is not how my mind works. Reading a book is a complete idea and leaves no room for "Improvisation". It continues on, and on, until complete. This will only give me a superficial understanding of the material.

I'm not saying that I identify as Sith, mind you. Just that I wish to understand it. When I want to be philosophical I don't read a book. I practice philosophy by discussing ideas with people who know about what I wish to know.

Demonize emotions lol
Sorry but that isnt something I think any path does,
Emotions are useful I agree and following your passion is great too.
By the way from what you have said I think learning the path here might be of use to you.
Because I am not sure wether you just need to learn your path, maybe not dividing things into sections
Everything has value in life

My connection speed is a bit slow being as I'm on mobile and up in the mountains at the moment...check the spoiler in my SIG and you'll see that there are others that understand the values of passion and restraint

6h057 wrote: Ok, so I will pull from my previous post. What role does the Ego play in the Sith paradigm?

What role? It is all about the ego...

No offense, you wish to be spoon fed by stating you're unwilling to go read and discover for yourself. I am an artist myself, your using excuses. At least try...

The Satanic Bible, read it. Be willing to do the work and you will be rewarded. So long as you allow yourself to fall back on the old "I dont learn that way" you will never bother putting forth any real effort.

So start there, read. If you have questions afterwards post them here, or pm me...