What I do understand about the philosophy, and this correlates with Vesha's post, is that the Sith are trying to direct their passions. Using the Ego, they are self assured, confident, and deadly masters in their chosen craft or profession. This could range from a boxer to a businessman. Unlike Jedi, they seem to be willing to make calculated sacrifices to achieve goals. This doesnt have to be through death, though it could be. It could also be a sacrifice of friendships, or morality, or materials to grant victory.
I play Chess so I need to make a metaphor. The Sith are Garry Kasparov and the Jedi are Anatoly Karpov. Both can be decisive in action, but the means through which they achieve results differs greatly.
Basically, like any fiction, take it with a grain of salt...
Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....
"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching
Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
Former Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Knight Edan, Knight Brenna, Knight Madhatter
I have a dark side. I know it can be energizing and make me feel powerfull. I also know it's draining and distructive. I choose light and positive while acknowledging the dark. To ignor the dark is folly. To go to extreems either way if folly as well and can be equally distructive.
What is important to me is I try to do the right things and when I don't I forgive myself and go on, hopefully better for the experance. Light/dark, right/wrong, cold/hot , sky/earth, that's not what is important. What is important is what you do with what you got!
I am now stepping off the soap box.
Peace, kindness, compassion, tolerance, truth, knowledge, strength of mind, body and spirit are not always companions of mine but are always pursued.
the reason that the ideals of being unselfish, honest, courageous, generous, forgiving, loyal, humble and basically the different ideas which work together to make up the overall concept of NOBLE are valued and praised across the board by all cultures everywhere under every form of social organization from tribes to empires, is because they work
they are healthy
and they bring strength and prosperity to individuals and to communities and to nations
the opposing attributes of selfishness, manipulation, slyness, fearfulness, resentment and revenge, contemptuousness, arrogance
these are all seen as weaknesses and as obstacles to personal development and to societal advancement
they create hell
its not an issue of being goody goody babies with no sense of self worth - its actually the opposite - people who identify with the first set of principles and actually make real effort to live by them, develop as a general rule, a much more resilient and effective sense of their own worth than those who focus on the second set
they also tend to do much better socially in every way - although admittedly POLITICS is an area that needs constant citizen monitoring and participation otherwise the rats take over - which to a great extent they have, especially lately - but even so, in the final analysis, representative governments, genuinely devoted to the representation of the people and the well being of the nation as a whole (in other words, honest and uselfish representation) always produces healthier and more effective societies than any other type of social organization
its a pretty simple formula really
freedom is a basic human demand - a life demand
all things feel themselves to be inherently free within the contexts of their existence (paradoxical in a way but still true)
we all know we should be allowed to live and pursue our own betterment and for the most part by our own judgement/without excessive regulation on our own personal decisions
this has always been a basic demand of individuals even when it wasnt precisely articulated as such
but the more the people are free the more power theyre going to have
so a society of selfish, cowardly people who manipulate and lie to each other and have no loyalty and despise one another is a society that becomes hell
it falls apart if it isnt invaded and overun
so governments have to impose stricter and stricter measures
but the people in the government end up being the same as the ones theyre imposing measures on and so instead of making things better they pass laws and make policies ultimately for their own benefit, which has the same effect of creating hell and fracturing the nation
whereas when a society is made up of people who value courage and honesty and unselfishness and forgiveness amd humility, flourishes and is much more difficult to defeat or to fracture
this is not some kind of religious propoganda, this is human psycho-physiology
its the development of human culture and im sorry if this seems rude but its really not a debate anymore
these things have been understood and accepted for hundreds of thousands of years, even if they arent always lived up to by the ones who try to reject them and thus create the hells which come as a result
Beware of unearned wisdom.
Zenchi wrote: If I may make a suggestion Radar, the TOTJO has a rather decent library from which to draw inspiration and reference from both paths, less Sithism more Jediism (easily understood of course why that is). There are a few books within our library that you may wish to pay special attention to when doing your research; the Grand Book of the Sith and the Jedi Holocron are good to start out with from the force perspective, (the latter including Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power). I would round out a study on Modern Sithism with the Book of Five Rings by Myamoto Musashi, the Art of War by Sun Tzu, the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, the Will to Power by Friedrich Nietzsche, the Virtue of Selfishness by Ayan Rand and the Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli. The last two books I have on dropbox, pm me if you are interested in reading them.
Good book suggestions! I have read 48 Laws of Power (and 33 Strategies of War!), the Book of Five Rings (given to me by my grandfather), and the Art of War. The others I have not read and I will check out. Thank you very much.
because lets be honest here - saying that lying and manipulating people is a bad social strategy is not an attack or a negative remark
lying and manipulating people might be seen as an attack on someone or as a negative thing to do
however, pointing out the difference between the two is called maturity and social responsibility, and it works the same for everyone
other than that im not sure what you might be referring to in the context of this thread
but i can see why it would be irritating that every time you try to have a public discussion on the benefits of social manipulation and deceit
some do gooder comes along and says "hey thats a bad idea"
im sure it gets old, so i will try to leave it alone for a while
Beware of unearned wisdom.