Jedi Academy Online Bookstore - Opie Macleod

Brenna wrote:

Connor Lidell wrote:

Jestor wrote: I've always said: The person who writes the first book about Jedi Realism that gets put in a bookstore will be in command of the Jedi Path FOREVER. Why? Because they'll be on talk shows. They'll end up in a court room for copyright infringement. Their ideas will become the standard.

That is actually a scary thought...

Yea...

UH, the hoodie guys didn't hurt us...

THis won't either...

We don't care that you talked about it...

We dont like the links...

I know. I know.

We don't do it to just be jerks...

We are the largest and most active Jedi site on the internet...

So, by us posting stuff, it gets more exposure...

And, could appear we are endorsing it...

We are not...

We have not read it...

We are not condeming it either...

We simply don't know it...

And given Opie's distaste for the religious side of the Jedi path..

It seems counterproductive to our mission and ideals...

That's fine, Jestor.

So, would you like to put forth an official cease and desist notice?

I plan on complying with any council decision. As ALWAYS. I can't do that unless I'm asked to something, though.

Like I mentioned earlier. I don't believe this falls under "advertisement". It's my opinion. If I were to make a suggestion to the council on how to handle things like this in the future:

Change the verbage in the FAQ to specify advertisement to include ANY links to offsite material that offers monetary exchange. Unfortunately, that would severely limit any offsite links. I know MANY sites that we link to all the time that accept donations (wikipedia.org being the most prominent, youtube being close behind). I didn't post with any intention to have people buy anything. It's not my website...

Jestor wrote:
And given Opie's distaste for the religious side of the Jedi path..

It seems counterproductive to our mission and ideals...

This is exactly the reason I posted it too, by the way.

After further consideration this does constitute advertising in my opinion and I will remove the links.

I particularly like this statement:
"it should be a priority of all communities to be on the look out for material being presented to the public"

Opie being as "outspoken" as he is against jediism, i think it'd be best if totjo didn't help present his ideas to the public. Or help fund him through t-shirt sales.

That's fine.

Two things, just to be thorough on my part:
1. Consider asking the user to remove the links on their own first. Too much moderation = dictatorship in my opinion. Not good for my stomach. hahahaha. But, do what you'd like, of course.
2. Ignorance is not bliss.

Connor Lidell wrote:

Jestor wrote:
And given Opie's distaste for the religious side of the Jedi path..

It seems counterproductive to our mission and ideals...

This is exactly the reason I posted it too, by the way.

I promise you Connor, ren and I go round and round about "freedom of speech", "people's rights", all that stuff...

We do not take it lightly, or frivolously ...

This thread, stood, the links stayed, im sure more than one person went there, I did...

I hope you see what we mean...

(Dear public reader, Connor and I have exchanged PMs, and all is well...)

Hahah.

(Dear Public reader: All is ALWAYS well. I'm not an anti-productive troll. If I post a controversial topic, it's because I want discussions like this to take place. Besides... somebody needs to keep Jestor on his toes)

I know you don't take it lightly.

ren wrote: Opie being as "outspoken" as he is against jediism,

Just because I dont know any of the history, or politics, is this the conversation that people keep eluding to between Force realism and Jediism?

Appologies if im opening up a can of worms. Jestor, please delete if its an issue.

Brenna.

If you are interested in a Jedi politics history lesson, especially involving Opie. You may PM me. I'm sure any of the older members of the community could help you as well. It's kind of off-topic for this specific post, in my opinion.

Brenna wrote:

ren wrote: Opie being as "outspoken" as he is against jediism,

Just because I dont know any of the history, or politics, is this the conversation that people keep eluding to between Force realism and Jediism?

Appologies if im opening up a can of worms. Jestor, please delete if its an issue.

Nope, no problem...

We delete very little for a reason...

But, if you are feeling guilty, cookies make good apologies too...

Just sahib's...

Connor Lidell wrote: Brenna.

If you are interested in a Jedi politics history lesson, especially involving Opie. You may PM me. I'm sure any of the older members of the community could help you as well. It's kind of off-topic for this specific post, in my opinion.

Yes, one of the reason I said delete if nessesary. Thank you.


Jestor, I think I am out cookied from yesterday!

Brenna, Opie has written a couple of articles here and there about how jediism is a pile of rubbish. google is your friend. (search "opie mcleod jediism")

Connor Lidell wrote: That's fine.

Two things, just to be thorough on my part:
1. Consider asking the user to remove the links on their own first. Too much moderation = dictatorship in my opinion. Not good for my stomach. hahahaha. But, do what you'd like, of course.
2. Ignorance is not bliss.

1. there are limits in place preventing you from editing. Personally I am opposed to them.
2. Nothing to do with ignorance/knowledge. It's about not giving exposure to things we do not support, in this specific case, to things that are hostile to us.

Of note: there is no disconnect between Force Realist and Jediism because Kediism is a Force Realist Movement. The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism and Jediism.

^Yup.

I tried to make that clear in my PM to Brenna as well.

ren wrote: 1. there are limits in place preventing you from editing. Personally I am opposed to them.
2. Nothing to do with ignorance/knowledge. It's about not giving exposure to things we do not support, in this specific case, to things that are hostile to us.

1. True. Thanks for the reminder.
2. Personally, I don't agree with this methodology. But, I respect the council's decision on that.

(900th post! Who hoo!)

Alethea Thompson wrote: Of note: there is no disconnect between Force Realist and Jediism because Kediism is a Force Realist Movement. The disconnect is between, specifically here, Jedi Pragmaticism and Jediism.

Geez, can we subdivide the community some more?

Im assuming "kediism" is a typo? Or is this some crazy new thing?

haha, Jestor. You don't have to use the terms if you don't want to. For some, it helps to keep the philosophical distinctions separate in our heads so we know how to communicate across the community. Different places require different styles of communication.

You wouldn't advertise a work out program to a couch potato the same way you would to a professional runner. Just to be clear, that's completely unrelated to this post. I'm not trying to imply I was advertising. It was just on my mind since we've been talking about it.

ren wrote: Brenna, Opie has written a couple of articles here and there about how jediism is a pile of rubbish. google is your friend. (search "opie mcleod jediism")

Thank you, already on it.




Thank you Alethea, Connor's been very clear in his explaination of each.