Ok a funny question of philosophy

Sooooooo

Yoda has said, "only sith deal in absolutes"

Yet Yoda's most famous line is: "do or do not, there is no try"

An absolute.

Ergo.... Yoda is a sith.....

Discuss.

Not familiar with what movie that line comes from, however....

I think that is more of an observation than a belief. When trying, you either succeed in doing something, or fail in doing something. Therefore, you either do, or do not. There is no such thing as trying.

Also, when he says that "only" a Sith deals in absolutes, he is using an absolute.

Luthien wrote: Also, when he says that "only" a Sith deals in absolutes, he is using an absolute.

True, but in both cases (this one and the "do or do not") he is referring to observational absolutes, not moral absolutes. I think that, contextually (if I recall the movie right), he is referring to Sith operating in moral absolutes.

Zanthan Storm wrote: Sooooooo

Yoda has said, "only sith deal in absolutes"

Yet Yoda's most famous line is: "do or do not, there is no try"

An absolute.

Ergo.... Yoda is a sith.....

Discuss.

wasn't it ewan mcgregor who said that line? It was I'm just pointing out your lack of knowledge.

Also, don't define a sith by values or philosophy. I define them by their actions. Yoda didn't do jack but smoke weed and live in mud

It's in The Empire Strikes Back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No

Well, doing something doesn't necessarily mean succeeding.
Trying means that you go like "hey, let's see how things go, and maybe next time...", but if you do something with your whole heart and fail, you're on the right path. No absolute with that, I think.

Lykeios wrote:

Luthien wrote: Also, when he says that "only" a Sith deals in absolutes, he is using an absolute.

True, but in both cases (this one and the "do or do not") he is referring to observational absolutes, not moral absolutes. I think that, contextually (if I recall the movie right), he is referring to Sith operating in moral absolutes.

Guess I can't argue with that. Good point!

sidvkili wrote: wasn't it ewan mcgregor who said that line? It was I'm just pointing out your lack of knowledge.

Also, don't define a sith by values or philosophy. I define them by their actions. Yoda didn't do jack but smoke weed and live in mud

br-john wrote: It's in The Empire Strikes Back

Br. John, I'm sure he's speaking about the phrase, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." It was in Revenge of the Sith when Obi-Wan realizes that Anakin had been consumed by hatred and evil and that he'd turned to the dark side.

It was obi wan in rots that said "only sith deal in absolutes" and yoda in esb that said "don't try, do or do not, there is no try"....both statements become absolutes the moment they are spoken...a thought may not be absolute until it becomes a statement, then again it may be absolute. before being stated...absolutes prevent flexibility...to maintain flexibility statements have to be modified to reflect that flexibility...the problem is that being that flexible is often perceived as weakness or a lack of conviction ("waffling")