Vision, Strategic Plan 2019

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: How long before those of us qualified can start the B-Div?

Any further comments on this question?

We are still waiting for all lessons to be organized and reviewed

Rosalyn J wrote: We are still waiting for all lessons to be organized and reviewed

Is it going to be a requirement to only pull from this lesson pool for every valid lesson or will we have the ability to write our own lessons as well and maybe even add them to the pool?

Currently adding to the degree scheme is a privlage granted to knights of the Order.

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Currently adding to the degree scheme is a privlage granted to knights of the Order.

That wasnt my question. I asked if it was a requirement to pull from the lesson pool only and I asked, under the current revisions how its going to evolve to those of us pursuing B-Div but are not Knights.

I apologize - I was only
Answering :
will we have the ability to write our own lessons as well and maybe even add them to the pool?

So, those are great questions. Ill point Ryu Jin this way.

But to my mind. Adding to the lesson pool can be granted to those with the rank Instructor/Sr. Instructor whether members of our order or visiting. The KEY is the lesson(s) must be approved by RyuJin and Team.

Its a long way off as I've stated since we dont have a list of lessons yet.

As to whether lessons must be pulled from the bank, well that'd be ideal (otherwise why have them ) If any lessons aren't pulled from the bank, there is always the potential they wont count. There is also the possibility of having them reviewed by ryu. Thats a bit of extra work. I'd say do as much as you can via bank. Then, if there are other things you want to explore, create the lesson and have it approved first

Currently only knights create lessons. However to echo ros' comments for work to count toward the b.div it must be approved by ryujin, and it's his prerogative to accept or decline lessons whether made by a knight or not.

Doing existing lessons is a safe bet.

Sounds good. However I'm sensing a bit of "us vs them" vibe and I would like to try and bridge that gap. As i have said multiple times before I'm willing to work on the team to develop this new direction forward. As a holder of the A-Div but not a knight and interested in the B-Div and the teaching credential I seem the perfect candidate to add to the development team.

This is a large project and it will take strong leadership. I offer my services in that regard. The concept of "a long time" that ros mentions is not the sort of thing that instills confidence. I want to help change that!

I feel part of this process should include setting milestones, developing requirements, setting a critical path, and having monthly updates to the membership on progress. I'm willing to help develop these project areas along with the edu-admin as well as pound out any grunt work, developing curriculum, formatting lessons, writing requirements and descriptions.. etc.

I feel these things are needed to push this forward in a timely and effective manner and I want to offer my expertise in these areas. This is my experience and training being put to good use here and I would like to know what it will take to move these ideas forward with me as a member of the development team?

Your offer is appreciated. There are a great number of lessons which need to be peer reviewed and Ryu has a solid team to do so. Good things take time

Rosalyn J wrote: Your offer is appreciated. There are a great number of lessons which need to be peer reviewed and Ryu has a solid team to do so. Good things take time

Are you turning down my offer to help this temple?

That is not my decision to make, but RyuJin's. You'll have to ask him

Rosalyn J wrote: That is not my decision to make, but RyuJin's. You'll have to ask him

I have, several times in PM. He has never responded. Am I to assume his silence is a no? Not a very dignified responce from one of the newest council members here... I would just like an answer. You wonder why frustrations run so high here and yet this sort of behaviour continues to be the norm.

My efforts here are to change perceptions, volunteer instead of persecute, work to better this place instead of complain, offer my expertise in good faith instead of accuse. And I am ignored and sidestepped. I must ask you, what is this place truly about if not jumping at the chance to better the individual so that the temple is strengthened?

Do you think you over-estimate or exaggerate the importance of rank Kyrin? As it might explain why you think disagreement or delay is abuse of it. For if you for some reason you thought that rank had to be an 'example' or otherwise meet your expectations, then anything that didn't meet those things would be failures of it in your eyes I presume.

Adder wrote: Do you think you over-estimate or exaggerate the importance of rank Kyrin? As it might explain why you think disagreement or delay is abuse of it. For if you for some reason you thought that rank had to be an 'example' or otherwise meet your expectations, then anything that didn't meet those things would be failures of it in your eyes I presume.

Once again you come to conclusions you have neither justified nor really provided any relevance for...

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote: Do you think you over-estimate or exaggerate the importance of rank Kyrin? As it might explain why you think disagreement or delay is abuse of it. For if you for some reason you thought that rank had to be an 'example' or otherwise meet your expectations, then anything that didn't meet those things would be failures of it in your eyes I presume.

Once again you come to conclusions you have neither justified nor really provided any relevance for...

Nah it was a question. Which you didn't answer, but that's ok... I don't need to know your answer.

Adder wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote: Do you think you over-estimate or exaggerate the importance of rank Kyrin? As it might explain why you think disagreement or delay is abuse of it. For if you for some reason you thought that rank had to be an 'example' or otherwise meet your expectations, then anything that didn't meet those things would be failures of it in your eyes I presume.

Once again you come to conclusions you have neither justified nor really provided any relevance for...

Nah it was a question. Which you didn't answer, but that's ok... I don't need to know your answer.

Here is the problem. You dont even know my stance on rank, something I have made quite clear, so why would you even ask me that question?
Have I ever stated that abuse is an attribute of rank? Why would you come to such a conclusion and then proceed to ask such a thing? This question I asked has nothing to do with rank, and yet you seem to want to make it about that. Why are you doing this?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote: Do you think you over-estimate or exaggerate the importance of rank Kyrin? As it might explain why you think disagreement or delay is abuse of it. For if you for some reason you thought that rank had to be an 'example' or otherwise meet your expectations, then anything that didn't meet those things would be failures of it in your eyes I presume.

Once again you come to conclusions you have neither justified nor really provided any relevance for...

Nah it was a question. Which you didn't answer, but that's ok... I don't need to know your answer.

Here is the problem. You dont even know my stance on rank, something I have made quite clear, so why would you even ask me that question?
Have I ever stated that abuse is an attribute of rank? Why would you come to such a conclusion and then proceed to ask such a thing? This question I asked has nothing to do with rank, and yet you seem to want to make it about that. Why are you doing this?

Sure, but you've talked at length about a few in particular, like Knights, even recently at;
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/122327-what-is-your-personal-directive-as-a-jedi?start=10#335773

Like all things, if it doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you.... and if it does, then it's an easy fix to better view ranks at this place.

Oh, I get it, so you are personally offended by a question I replied to in another thread? Why drag it in here?

You know what adder, never mind. It's pretty obvious you are doing nothing but goading me into a fight. Forget it, get your jollies someplace else. Have a night...