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05 Jan 2019 23:44 #331972 by Kyrin Wyldstar
That is a total copout on your part. Are you inclusive of their right to worship as the see fit or not?? It seems your not if you want to shove your philosophy down their throat and judge them harshly for their belief. So what's up "jedi" do they get to view life as they see fit without judgment from you or not?

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05 Jan 2019 23:51 #331973 by Arisaig

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: That is a total copout on your part. Are you inclusive of their right to worship as the see fit or not?? It seems your not if you want to shove your philosophy down their throat and judge them harshly for their belief. So what's up "jedi" do they get to view life as they see fit without judgment from you or not?


Perfectly in form. Thank you Kyrin. Excellent questions... But perhaps could be worded a bit more tactfully and less hostile? After all, we are simply having a discussion.

I never said shove it down their throat. Heck, as a former Christian, I'd view having a service for another, as they view it, misguided faith in their halls could serve as a method to bring them back into the fold.

Treat others the way you want to be treated, love your neighbor as yourself, judge not lest ye be judged, et cetera ad nauseum... That is the Christian way. It is unfortunate that, for a majority of churches, its more preach than practise.

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06 Jan 2019 00:59 #331978 by jpadkins
look at Buddist temples or B'hai... they may be more receptive.

It is in the journey we find ourselves.
In ourselves, we strive for balance.
In balance there is peace.
I am an instrument of peace.

I shall live my life with joy.
I shall stay connected to All.
I shall shine a light for those who are in darkness.
I shall be a beacon of hope in the sea of despair.
For I am but one of the many instruments in the One Song.
And I am an instrument of peace.

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06 Jan 2019 01:24 #331979 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Arisaig wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: That is a total copout on your part. Are you inclusive of their right to worship as the see fit or not?? It seems your not if you want to shove your philosophy down their throat and judge them harshly for their belief. So what's up "jedi" do they get to view life as they see fit without judgment from you or not?


Perfectly in form. Thank you Kyrin. Excellent questions... But perhaps could be worded a bit more tactfully and less hostile? After all, we are simply having a discussion.

I never said shove it down their throat. Heck, as a former Christian, I'd view having a service for another, as they view it, misguided faith in their halls could serve as a method to bring them back into the fold.

Treat others the way you want to be treated, love your neighbor as yourself, judge not lest ye be judged, et cetera ad nauseum... That is the Christian way. It is unfortunate that, for a majority of churches, its more preach than practise.


Your statement is completely uncharacteristic of the Christian faith. Their way is the only way according to them. Only through jesus do you enter
Into heaven. So why is it, as a jedi, do you feel you get to change that otherwise universal Christian view because of your own claim to your experience?

As for my form, thank you, I have never compromised my principles. Hows that assention to knight rank coming?

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06 Jan 2019 02:22 #331980 by Arisaig

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: That is a total copout on your part. Are you inclusive of their right to worship as the see fit or not?? It seems your not if you want to shove your philosophy down their throat and judge them harshly for their belief. So what's up "jedi" do they get to view life as they see fit without judgment from you or not?


Perfectly in form. Thank you Kyrin. Excellent questions... But perhaps could be worded a bit more tactfully and less hostile? After all, we are simply having a discussion.

I never said shove it down their throat. Heck, as a former Christian, I'd view having a service for another, as they view it, misguided faith in their halls could serve as a method to bring them back into the fold.

Treat others the way you want to be treated, love your neighbor as yourself, judge not lest ye be judged, et cetera ad nauseum... That is the Christian way. It is unfortunate that, for a majority of churches, its more preach than practise.


Your statement is completely uncharacteristic of the Christian faith. Their way is the only way according to them. Only through jesus do you enter
Into heaven. So why is it, as a jedi, do you feel you get to change that otherwise universal Christian view because of your own claim to your experience?

As for my form, thank you, I have never compromised my principles. Hows that assention to knight rank coming?


Not change, expand their views and horizons. One can recognize the Force, but not depend on it for salvation.

And smoothly, thanks for asking.

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06 Jan 2019 02:54 - 06 Jan 2019 02:58 #331982 by JamesSand
As usual in any given argument - both parties are probably mostly wrong.

To Sven and Ari - we can ascribe whatever motives we like (and the representative, for whatever reason, put voice to some reasons to "justify" their position, but the reality of it is that if it is their building, they don't really have to justify it at all, they can ask Sven to leave and not request use of their building again simply because they don't like his hair style, or because he's a non-smoker, or because they want to. They might just not like him, perhaps if someone prettier, or wearing a nicer shirt, or with a more melodic voice, or kinder eyes had asked, it would have been a different tale, or even if it was phrased differently "I'm looking to hold a community event on the subject of emotional peace in face of our mortality, I'll being inviting people from all walks of life, and plan to livestream it on my blog, better-living-through-faith-dot-com.

It doesn't even have to be true.)

We don't have to assume it is because they want to quash his faith.

To Kyrin, ref:

Your statement is completely uncharacteristic of the Christian faith. Their way is the only way according to them. Only through jesus do you enter
Into heaven. So why is it, as a jedi, do you feel you get to change that otherwise universal Christian view because of your own claim to your experience?



"otherwise universal christian view" is a statement you really have no authority to make, and I doubt you can back it up with much more than anecdotes or "common knowledge".

Yes, I know the lines about entering heaven, that's not what I'm arguing, but that every christian interprets their role as being to reestablish the inquisition is a big call.

(I routinely visit a christian building that is rented out for martial arts training, and because we're also massive nerds, we use Hogwarts Houses to manage the classes and keep track of points for each house.

The owners/managers of the building are really more than happy for the extra income, and the fact that it gives people something fun, healthy, and wholesome to do, and so far no one has tried to have us strung up and burnt at the stake for witchcraft)


(I could be wrong, the people that Sven was dealing with could be entirely motivated by the tenets of their faith and firmly believe that unChristian worship within their hallowed halls will cause....the gay, or something equally evil. I'm just saying there's no point in us beating our ploughshares into swords and taking up arms against the intolerant christian tyrants over speculative motivations...)
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06 Jan 2019 08:37 #331986 by Arisaig

We don't have to assume it is because they want to quash his faith.


Save for the fact that was amongst the reasons given for their denial of his request...

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06 Jan 2019 08:48 #331988 by Stormcaller
That's disappointing that they went back on the initial agreement, and I'm sorry it didn't work out. Just a setback, I say- there are other places and avenues you can likely explore to achieve your goal.

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06 Jan 2019 15:28 #331992 by Alethea Thompson
Sven,

For the record- I happen to agree with the church’s stance. And applaud them for actually abiding by Old Testament wisdom.

In fact, I won’t run a Jedi Labyrinth at a church unless every participant is Christian. If we’re going to do a Labyrinth with non-Christians present, I personally set up one in a park because those people may choose to pray to their own deities.

The same would be true if it was property dedicated to another god or goddess. It’s simply a matter of respect to the deity the property is dedicated to, and in many cases your own deity.

A rec center is certainly an option; but if you’re looking for an actual church- try one that is Universalist Unitarian or Baha’i
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06 Jan 2019 16:03 - 06 Jan 2019 16:06 #331994 by Carlos.Martinez3
If your really wondering - ask one to be one - ask Nakis and Jack
www.templeofthejediorder.org/community/5795-nakis
www.templeofthejediorder.org/community/22034-jack-troutman

These are two Jedi I know, may be able to help with local outreach and what it all takes to ACTUALLY serve the community they live in.
Tell em I sent ya !

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