Temple Renovation (30 May 2020)
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Have we become too generalized or too specific?
Have we become too generalized or too specific?
Yes and yes. We live in a society (First World) of specialization. You probably specialize in something in order to carry employment. We get to general when we attempt to apply our specialized knowledge to general situations.
I hire a plumber to fix the complexities of piping in my home.
You normally don't hire a plumber to fix your car.
As for social concepts we are also both. We take very specialized segments of society and try to apply there characteristics across general society.
Hope that made some general sense on the specific topic
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What should this temple be then? Just diaries and sermons? and strictly controlled discussion on relevant topics, or other issues and how jediism applies to them?
I imagine some sort of rabbis playing chess in central park sort of ideal.
Khaos wrote: I would hope that would constantly be a top priority question that is being constantly refined through practice. Not just individually, but communally.
Or what the hell is everyone doing here?
Yea hence the forum, individual questions offer frames of reference to explore it I guess.
I would echo those who say both, but I would add to that by asking "How"? How have we gotten specific, and how have we become generalized? And as Adder said, the answers given are deeply informed by how one views "what a Jedi Should be doing".
Without being too detailed, I would posit this:
The roles and responsibilities of a Jedi are so broad and appeals to many people for different reasons, yet we all find inspiration from the central concept of an archetype of someone/thing that lives a particular lifestyle, operates from a particular worldview, and regularly connects with a practice that promotes facility with a reality that permeates all the distinct areas of Life- the Force.
Perhaps, in intuiting this and naturally congregating around a loose feeling and body of lore is a general approach, but maybe they were just beginning steps. Maybe we are at a juncture here at the temple where our "Jedi-sight" takes stock of where we've been and applies it to "Where do we want to go?"
Are we going to be explorers of the unknown?
Are we obtuse an (non-) rigorous philosophers?
Or are we just looking for an alternative life-path?
Or maybe any combo of any sort?
I would like to think all of the above, but it seems like the holistic model is passed-over in favor of a singular approach.
We have people training in all sorts of avenues, yet lack a unified vision of how these all fit together, and even worse, how that unit- that individual- is to relate to the world at large, especially the socio-spiritual.
I could go on and on, but I'll be brief for the thread's sake. PM me if you anyone would like to take this further.
The Force is with you, always.
I left for many reasons, but one reason was because I felt that there was too much politicking going on and I didn't like it.
When I first joined here I felt like TOTJO was a place to learn. Knights were called by their usernames out of respect as teachers (this was then, TOTJO's opinion of how to respect knights has changed), disagreements happened yes, but they didn't seem to go in endless circles and get dragged back at every news cycle.
Every single damn time I return to this website to look and see what has happened there's an argument, there's someone moaning because they're not a knight, or because the council didn't vote the way they wanted (or hasn't voted at all). And get this, it's always the same set of arguments. That's all I see when I log in, which means that's almost all of what new people see too.
This website is neither too general nor too specific, it's just not what it was. From the outside now, looking in after a deal of a time, I just see arguments and a few novices trying to get through their IP. There are attempts to distract these things, mostly behind the scenes, but they are drowned out.
This place was never religious for me, I am not a religious person, but it was a Temple of learning (for me) for a great deal of time and either the knights have forgotten it, the council has forgotten it, or the membership don't realise it (or all three), or nobody wants to enforce it. I see some threads about learning but they seem short, ditched for the longer controversial arguments, or the conversations indicate they were never followed through.
Everyone here can debate until they're blue in the face 'what TOTJO is', but that's a problem, and has been a problem for some time. Because debate isn't action, at TOTJO it just becomes argument. I've been a part of this problem in the past, I hold my hands up to that, I was part of the system that couldn't (and can't) see itself.
The knights are the leaders. You get together, you take a vote 'what do we want TOTJO to be', and then you do that. I've been mocked before here about wanting votes, but they lead to decisions (as long as they are followed through). You might lose some people, but you've already lost many, what's a few more to figure things out.
You can't be everything. Don't be everything. Be what the home page says you are. After all, that's what you're advertising. Or change it, and be something else. But make the decision, or you'll be nothing for no-one.
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Not too sure if this is relevant or not but i just wrote what I felt, felt right.
May the force be with you all.
May the force be one with you.
Maybe I'm ranting, I just think the doctrine is pretty clear and should simply be referenced more often in discussion that seems to blur the idea of what we are here. *shrugs*