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05 Feb 2019 17:19 #333704 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Arisaig wrote: If it was simply about spirituality, I would agree, Kyrin. But it isn't. A member can become a councillor. And those that can lead, must be known.


Oathing to uphold the ways of the Jedi does not make one eligible for council positions, it only makes one openly committed to upholding a spiritual paradigm. Council, if they require it here because they are appointed positions and not elected positions, should have their own legally binding oath for that specific duty.

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05 Feb 2019 17:23 #333706 by Carlos.Martinez3

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote: If it was simply about spirituality, I would agree, Kyrin. But it isn't. A member can become a councillor. And those that can lead, must be known.


Oathing to uphold the ways of the Jedi does not make one eligible for council positions, it only makes one openly committed to upholding a spiritual
paradigm. Council, if they require it here because they are appointed positions and not elected positions, should have their own legally binding oath for that specific duty.


We do

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05 Feb 2019 17:30 #333708 by Arisaig

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote: If it was simply about spirituality, I would agree, Kyrin. But it isn't. A member can become a councillor. And those that can lead, must be known.


Oathing to uphold the ways of the Jedi does not make one eligible for council positions, it only makes one openly committed to upholding a spiritual
paradigm. Council, if they require it here because they are appointed positions and not elected positions, should have their own legally binding oath for that specific duty.


We do


Then such oaths should be made public. Because I can't find any.

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05 Feb 2019 17:32 #333709 by Carlos.Martinez3
Currently not public

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05 Feb 2019 17:39 #333710 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Currently not public



And I see no reason why they should be. Its a matter of trust of council once again to do the right thing. If you don't trust the council you don't trust the individual oath so what difference would it make whether its public or private at that point, right?

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05 Feb 2019 17:45 #333712 by Arisaig

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Currently not public



And I see no reason why they should be. Its a matter of trust of council once again to do the right thing. If you don't trust the council you don't trust the individual oath so what difference would it make whether its public or private at that point, right?


I agree. At least, if somewhere it is on record their name, I can live with that.

But still... I don't agree with usernames being on oaths. Just seems two dimensional, flat, and unauthentic.

But if someone wants to do that, by all means...

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05 Feb 2019 17:48 #333713 by Carlos.Martinez3

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Currently not public



And I see no reason why they should be. Its a matter of trust of council once again to do the right thing. If you don't trust the council you don't trust the individual oath so what difference would it make whether its public or private at that point, right?


Wonderful opinion - feel free to contact the council if you like about that.
Currently- it’s acsess - acsess to Council chambers is accessible to council members. Knights to the knight forum so on and so forth - we could probly move things around with no harm or mess up but as it stands it’s just acsess not conspiracies- promise.

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05 Feb 2019 18:00 #333715 by Adhara
The oath councillors and any other officers take is the oath of office.
"I, [insert legal name], do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of [insert title of office], honor my responsibilities, and will, to the best of my ability and with the greatest commitment, serve the Temple of the Jedi Order and its interests."

They are usually archived in the council forum. I'd not object to anyone posting their oath of office in their journal for example. It is not required but it is not forbidden either.

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05 Feb 2019 23:00 #333743 by Kobos
So, I have been thinking a lot on this name thingy here. All of you that know me via face book or just read my journal realize I use my real name. I did this understanding the danger and in reality having enough trust in the community to not destroy my name. Granted, identity theft on me might net you a whole um $120.00 right now. not everyone can play it off like me, or have that level of trust in strangers, that's fine I have always been a little to naive for my own good.

Your name really in the end only comes down to the image you portray to yourself by using your own name or hearing it.

I can tell you Kobos has died a million times over through my path here. But, I am still Kobos, Mr. Kobos or "that guy" (which I am quite fond of actually).

The thing I really want to draw to a perspective here though is this. You are the Love you give. Sometimes the specific way we give love doesn't fit every person. A while back we were discussing a topic for the Jedi's Toolbelt. Well, I have in some fashion realized the more ways of showing love I have in the tool belt the better the quality of love I give/receive and more my name means.

Sometimes we need to look at our tool belt, have we exhausted every tool in there? Do we need to find some new ones?

Why does Kobos ask so many abstract literary questions?

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06 Feb 2019 09:21 - 06 Feb 2019 09:21 #333779 by Loudzoo
Whilst the 'name' and 'oath' discussions are perfectly reasonable ones to have I think we have drifted a little from the OP. I'd be fine with people using Usernames for an Oath, if they were not comfortable using their 'real' names. The oath is a commitment to certain behaviours at the this website and the Username is the best way of identifying people whilst there are online here.

I posted the following in Kobos' "What do YOU see?" thread but its relevant here too:

In all religious / spiritual / philosophical schools that I can think of there is always a well defined difference between the Forum (the talking shop), the Offices (for admin and management), and the Temple (the place for contemplation). Whilst we have different sections of the Forum and different rules for different threads (like no posting in others' journals) it is all a bit mashed together. If we could provide some more separation between these three functions than this website currently provides I think that would be really helpful.

Practically that means we might have one 'tab' for the Forum - which would be more open, a little more combative where necessary and which would be open to all registered users. This could even go offsite to Discord - but that might be a step too far. Next there could be an 'Offices' tab for administration - with the same restrictions on access as currently exist. Then there could be a 'tab' for the The Temple itself where the rules and expectations would be different and access / posting ability / rules of engagement would be more tightly constrained. It could include journals, chambers, synod, clergy training and academic discussion.

In this way we wouldn't fundamentally change anything, but the presentation, and experience of being here might be radically different. It would be much easier for people weary of the 'Forum' to walk straight past that to the 'Temple', or to the 'Offices' to undertake administrative activities.

In this way we retain our generalized inclusivity and allow specialization for those who want to develop that . People can be as general as they like in the 'Forum' but much more specific in the 'Temple'.

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