Question: Policy on requests for information on suspensions

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12 Feb 2019 02:28 #334060 by Tellahane

Kobos wrote:
Now again I don't know the in and outs here and haven't studied all that much into the temples policy, but I feel this (though kind of crappy) seems to be the best way to do it. For example, thread freezes, is brought up between officers or a voting body then either reopened or was split based on it's content. Is this the logical progression this should follow? Honestly asking, I don't really know how organizationally and message board wise this should be considered. You all have more experience in that then I do.

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Which is very similar to what happened, the thread was frozen, it was planned on being split when re-opened, and even after I did it, I did contact ros and jlspinner as well to make them aware. From the security side/moderation side point of view, its better to freeze a situation and disassemble it then to let it continue while you have "talks". For one someone could just straight up ignore your attempts and continue to cause damage, in which case you have to then resort to editing or deleting peoples posts which is not the ideal either.

Freezing/locking a thread is while seemingly extreme to some, an excellent way of saying "hey, take a break and clear your head and think about what has been posted". Often if its to that point, though not always, even trying to talk to the offender can be difficult at best until after some time has passed because they may be "fired" up and not willing to listen. So those who do the locking have to put up with the aftermath of that "fire", but if circumstances are appropriate, a necessary consequence.
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12 Feb 2019 02:58 - 12 Feb 2019 03:05 #334061 by Kobos
Thank you, Telle, that makes good logical sense, and kind of what I figured happened on that thread just wanted to wrap my head on that a bit.

Kyrin, would you have acted differently if in Telle's shoes? If so what are the motivations for the differences?

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12 Feb 2019 03:29 - 12 Feb 2019 03:31 #334063 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Kobos wrote: Thank you, Telle, that makes good logical sense, and kind of what I figured happened on that thread just wanted to wrap my head on that a bit.

Kyrin, would you have acted differently if in Telle's shoes? If so what are the motivations for the differences?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos


Yes I would have acted differently. In the case of outright breaking of rules, porn, cussing, personal attacks, spamming, of course direct action is warranted. But in the example of our meme thread I would have handled it differently. I would have contacted myself and James and suggested that what was being done was disrespectful to the spirit of the post and I would have asked the posters if there was a better way to express themselves? This puts the action on the posters to do the right thing. Often times this will result in reply's from the posters themselves saying "yea your probably right" and often times even going so far as to suggest deleting or moving the posts themselves, just as we did in this thread after the lock.

However if it had gone a different way and the posters never replying to my PM to them and continued in the thread posting memes I would take it to the open board and make that same suggestion in the thread and follow that same procedure. If that didnt work I would have temporarily locked the thread and posted in the thread that it was locked until PMs were answered. Hopefully a resolution could be brought together at that time and within the hour the thread opened up again with a resolution.

However if all of those avenues failed I would have simply left the thread locked and referred the matter to council for action because of the willful misbehavior of the posters. I would also have informed the posters of such action. At that point council could make the determination to split the thread and unlock it and enact a 24 hour ban on the users. Something like that. Be nice until its time to not be nice.

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12 Feb 2019 03:52 #334065 by Adder
I guess there is a chance that at times the preferred method is not able to be deployed for lack of time etc, and so the middle way has to fall on one or the other, and in situations like that it might fall on stopping something rather then letting it become a bigger problem for later.

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12 Feb 2019 12:14 #334082 by Kobos

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Kobos wrote: Thank you, Telle, that makes good logical sense, and kind of what I figured happened on that thread just wanted to wrap my head on that a bit.

Kyrin, would you have acted differently if in Telle's shoes? If so what are the motivations for the differences?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos


Yes I would have acted differently. In the case of outright breaking of rules, porn, cussing, personal attacks, spamming, of course direct action is warranted. But in the example of our meme thread I would have handled it differently. I would have contacted myself and James and suggested that what was being done was disrespectful to the spirit of the post and I would have asked the posters if there was a better way to express themselves? This puts the action on the posters to do the right thing. Often times this will result in reply's from the posters themselves saying "yea your probably right" and often times even going so far as to suggest deleting or moving the posts themselves, just as we did in this thread after the lock.

However if it had gone a different way and the posters never replying to my PM to them and continued in the thread posting memes I would take it to the open board and make that same suggestion in the thread and follow that same procedure. If that didnt work I would have temporarily locked the thread and posted in the thread that it was locked until PMs were answered. Hopefully a resolution could be brought together at that time and within the hour the thread opened up again with a resolution.

However if all of those avenues failed I would have simply left the thread locked and referred the matter to council for action because of the willful misbehavior of the posters. I would also have informed the posters of such action. At that point council could make the determination to split the thread and unlock it and enact a 24 hour ban on the users. Something like that. Be nice until its time to not be nice.


I think that;s very fair Kyrin and something we should look at for the next situation as it develops. Would it also help if we as posters and participants kind of checked ourselves also? Maybe, just checking ourselves to make sure we are not crossing the line before it unfolds without someone telling us it has?

I am just trying to get a feel for how to be more civil and move or avoid similar situations in the future, we are all going to have disagreements, perhaps get a little goofy ect. but by sharing all of this are we not getting closer to a solution we can all be proud to be part of within this community and Temple?

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Kobos

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12 Feb 2019 16:21 - 12 Feb 2019 16:50 #334084 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Kobos wrote:
I think that;s very fair Kyrin and something we should look at for the next situation as it develops. Would it also help if we as posters and participants kind of checked ourselves also? Maybe, just checking ourselves to make sure we are not crossing the line before it unfolds without someone telling us it has?

I am just trying to get a feel for how to be more civil and move or avoid similar situations in the future, we are all going to have disagreements, perhaps get a little goofy ect. but by sharing all of this are we not getting closer to a solution we can all be proud to be part of within this community and Temple?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos


Absolutely we should be self policing when it comes to posting. But wouldn't you also agree that as humans we are famous for pushing that line, or justifying one foot across that line to prove a point we need to prove because our emotions have gotten the better of us? Subjectivity in matters like this is a powerful thing and often times judgement gets clouded and we loose site of that line and inadvertently violate its authority or we simply see the line in a different place than others. It is in these times when a gentle nudge may be required and this is what I am talking about.

My best friend and I have a similar system. She is quite outgoing and very vocal and loves the social spotlight. I, on the other hand, (as you may have guessed by now :P ) am quite animated and hard driving when it comes to some conversations about subjects of contention. Over the years we have developed a silent system to remind each other when we are getting to far down the rabbit hole, so to speak. Especially if we are in a social situation where wine is flowing and conversations are many. If one of us starts to get a little emphatic or begins interrupting others, talking over them, etc, whatever.. the other will simply lay a hand on the others leg or shoulder etc. We dont look at each other and we dont say anything but that physical and simple que is enough to reign the other in because we have agreed upon that standard of gentle reminder. It is extremely effective because it never causes embarrassment and I just want to see a return to that sort of thing here.

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