Radical Islam

24 Aug 2016 05:57 - 24 Aug 2016 06:06 #253553 by JamesSand
Replied by JamesSand on topic Radical Islam
I don't really want to weigh in, for a few reasons, but I'll throw some thoughts into the jumble.

Who has seen the movie Fight Club? (I quite like Chuck Palahniuk's books, and yes I did have to look up the spelling of his surname)

Anyway, it's catchy innit? Great soundtrack, handsome characters, a fight against a society that doesn't satisfy you.

Good stuff.

Also, more or less every party involved is immoral, but they want to belong, and whatever is being sold is "attractive" despite the costs, for whatever reasons they have.

That is more or less how religions, movements, causes etc work - They're attractive.

There are enough people unsatisfied with a lifestyle or a society (or a perceived injustice, or a real injustice) to take up arms and fight for....something.

Whether what they want is a SMART goal (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, and Time-bound) is open for debate, or what may occur if they achieve it - but for now, under whatever pretences, it is what they are willing to fight for.

What group A wants to fight for is going to be, more or less by definiton, something group B wants to fight back against (otherwise there'd be no conflict)

and so on.

Who is immoral, unethical, etc is decided by the Winner (or, in Westerns, the colour of their hats)

Any British or Americans here?

I'd suggest the American War of Independance was a fairly nasty event when it happened. No one was snap-chatting the daily details though.

I believe there's a holiday for it every year in the USA now?

On a different note - No one is harsher on "Terrorists" than their own people and governments* -


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24 Aug 2016 09:36 #253559 by Gisteron
Replied by Gisteron on topic Radical Islam
About the tribalism thing, let's not forget that Islamic scriptures and other canonical and scholarly sources go quite a long way to reinforce the line between the in-group and the outsiders, painting them as mutual enemies most of the time and dehumanizing the non-Muslims at other times. They also prohibit various dealings and relations with outsiders on numerous occasions "lest they lead the faithful astray". It is very openly cult-like in this sense.
Now wait for a few generations to absorb that everybody else are swine, throw in a bunch of explicit commands to violence against them and a situation like we have now is inevitable. Islam is by no means the only contributor here, and as any other cult it feeds on natural human tendencies, but it is still a rather major factor, albeit perhaps far from the only one.

Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned

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