What IS Relgion?

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03 Feb 2021 13:51 - 03 Feb 2021 14:10 #358270 by Carlos.Martinez3
So, for those who It IS for, this is for you.
What truly IS RELIGION or spirituality? Here, in our ORDER, we have Knights and Clergy. Whats the diffrence between them? Is there? For us directly. I know and I can read books and definitions of things but truly Modern Day Jedi, what is the spiritual side or the religious side of Modern Day Jedi ism? Is there?
What IS religion really?
Does it have a place in our own practices?
Feel free to directly contact me if you like but I really want to know what it means to YOU, not what you've been taught...
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If religion ISNT your thing, well thats ok too, just say so as well. Its ok to NOT have faith as much as it is ok TO have religious practices.
So, what ya think?
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03 Feb 2021 16:40 - 05 Feb 2021 23:41 #358272 by rugadd
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For me, religion is organized spirituality. Seems counter intuitive, but like training wheels, it has its place. Knights(here or otherwise) and others involved maintain and upkeep that system. Somebody who sets aside time because they believe the system they support can help people and should continue, especially if it helped them.

I would say when you can maintain your spirituality and let your religion go, you have graduated. You are then able to go back and teach, or move on with your life as best suited as you can be in that realm.

There are other reasons people come here(or to any religion, for that matter) but this is the gestalt of its necessity to me.

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03 Feb 2021 22:09 - 03 Feb 2021 22:09 #358278 by Proteus
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According to Wikipedia:

Scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion. There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.

Emile Durkheim defined religion as "a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them."

Max Lynn Stackhouse, defined religion as "a comprehensive worldview or 'metaphysical moral vision' that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted".


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What I would like to see is the 'I' that knows me when I know that I know that I know.
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03 Feb 2021 23:27 #358279 by Carlos.Martinez3
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Do you share these?

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04 Feb 2021 13:00 #358288 by Carlos.Martinez3
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We as Modern day Jedi can define our own definitions. Its a gift from the Inherent worth we all belive in.
I define religion as ANY PERSONS RELIANCE upon a pivital value or chosen merrit. Does it have to be religious or spiritual in context? Some times Ive met a hard no on that one.


Is the search for VIRTUE spiritual?

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As a human and as a chosen Jedi, we all have the privilege where and what we title "the Force." It can be the idea or/and the ebb and flow- the Way- or the practice- either for character, guidance or even lead. Some parts we may not be able explain, that's ok too! No one Force may be like the other. Simply put, the Force is the way we freely and actually choose to merit. By this, it can never be the same. Our beginning and creation can depend on a choice to seek that which can never be named and experienced fully. These are steps towards understanding.

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05 Feb 2021 06:34 #358311 by Adder
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Compared to what it isn't.... yea probably a set of imagined affordances which are participated with in some systematic way.
Not to suggest it's fantasy, but rather they need to be imagined because they are not tangible.... which is where the belief enters the equation. And what elevates this above other things is they are believed to be affordances; ie in existence (even if not tangible).
Spirituality probably could differ slightly in that it might work with the same definition but not project that belief outside of the body....
..which begs the question, could that definition of spirituality be extended from body to all known things (ie pantheism etc) and therefore religion therefore just be the unknown (ie supernatural) constructs.
At the moment I don't like the distinction (because of my Force belief) and therefore agree with the 'religion is organised spirituality' approach.

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05 Feb 2021 11:08 - 05 Feb 2021 13:41 #358313 by Carlos.Martinez3
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What part is intangible in religion?

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05 Feb 2021 20:09 #358323 by rugadd
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Did you write inside of my post again? LOL

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05 Feb 2021 23:42 #358326 by Carlos.Martinez3
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Please understand I love it when you post Rugadd...


What would the training wheels on religion be? For what purpose? To only remove itself from the equation and leave what? What is it religion does for us? For you ?


I think i did miculpa

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07 Feb 2021 15:30 #358398 by Carlos.Martinez3
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“I don’t like to look at the science parts” he said “I feel that takes away from the spirituality of it.”

This is a quote from a new journal im digging right now...

Does Religion need explanations to merit? Is religion based on experience or understanding or a bit more?

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