Good points RedHeron, it's gonna take me till a little later tonight to get through that, haha but I will.

i'm glad i wasn't the only one that thought it was a misinformed pile of propagandist/conspiricist trash aimed at pushing their own views upon the world, much like moore's films are....

in truth red heron made it much further in then i did...i could not get that far in because from the very beginning all i sensed was ego maniacal hatred, and it was breaking my calm demeanor...

they should understand that half of history is covering up the truth....

what's really bad is that my brother in law was sucked in by moore's film....but of course he never served in the military and doesn't understand the fact that the governments of the world have to keep secrets from the people they govern, it's a sad fact that mass hysteria can get out of hand very fast. that's why the government lies to us and keeps secrets from us...to keep us from destroying ourselves...from what i could endure of zietgiest it seems they want that destruction to occur so that their "truths" become reality...

Thank you, Sarus, I look forward to your reply.

RyuJin, correcting Moore's lies is as simple as discovering the truth. Send me a PM if you would like some pointers on any particular film and how to counter what was said.

I have also never served in the military, but "The Art of War" is a great book which explains the necessity of deception in warfare.

"Question authority; but certainly, question also those who would question." (Ghandi)

The only solution is critical thinking.

Oh, and... Julianna, thanks for the support.

i forget what i did to expose moore's lies as it's been a few years...i remember it involved several national geographic channel shows pertaining to 9/11....he still clings to the idea that bush "stole" the first election since bush's brother was governor in florids during....initially i thought that would be a stretch as it would be an obvious event if he did...however after a documentary i saw called "hacking democracy" i would have to say that it is possible that he stole that election...but i still require more evidence to fully agree that he did...till then i say he may have or he may have simply won by a slim margin due to some shady events/people....either way it's in the past and over with...all we can do is learn from the past and move on..

Bush in 2000 was certainly an accidental president. With those idiot ballots where the second name on the list was not also the second hole punch - well, read on.

In the 2000 presidential election, Buchanan finished fourth with 449,895 votes, 0.4% of the popular vote. (Hagelin garnered 0.1 percent as the Natural Law candidate.)

In Palm Beach County, Florida, Buchanan received 3,407 votes — which some saw as inconsistent with Palm Beach County's liberal leanings, its large Jewish population and his showing in the rest of the state. As a result of the county's now-infamous "butterfly ballot," he is suspected to have gained thousands of inadvertent votes. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer stated, "Palm Beach county is a Pat Buchanan stronghold and that's why Pat Buchanan received 3,407 votes there." However, Reform Party officials strongly disagreed, estimating the number of supporters in the county at between 400 and 500.

Appearing on The Today Show, Buchanan said:
“When I took one look at that ballot on Election Night. . . it's very easy for me to see how someone could have voted for me in the belief they voted for Al Gore.”

When you add all the people who were not allowed to vote because they were wrongly listed as convicted felons the case is even more compelling.

Can anyone be worse than W? Oh yes indeed. Rick Perry the governor of Texas is frightening to say the least.

This is my personal opinion and nothing else.